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zeroing, what am i doing wrong

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by shadow, Sep 24, 2007.

  1. shadow

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    I seem to be having some trouble zeroing me scopes.

    @10 yards the groups are OK, but when i go to 20 yards, it seems the pellets just go were they want:confused: :mad:.

    take a look at the target i was shooting @ >>>>>>> http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/535/img051dw8.jpg

    It may help you to understand whats going on.

    any one got any suggestions,

    ATB Shadow.
     
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    what tpe of gun and pellets are you using simple things like shooting of a rest when zeroing can be critical
     
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    am shooting with a AA S410 22 and the pellets are RWS Super dome (Field Line)

    I'v just say got the gun this week end, and to day is the first time i'v shot at a target with it, i just when to an aria i have permission to shoot on. found me self a nice comfortable place to lie down in, and went and set up my target up @ 10 Yards. started zeroing in. and this is the result i got (check link to pic in first post).
     
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    Remove the silencer and try again to see if it's clipping.
     
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    ok i'l give that a go..

    but i'v already looked at the end of the silencer, And i cant see any signs of the pellets cliping :confused:
    I scand the end of the silencer, and as you can see there's no sign of clipping (at the end). but this is the best pic i could get to show you.

    [​IMG]
     
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    try air arms pellets
     
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    you should be getting "same hole groups" at those ranges. try differet ways of shooting and get really comfortable, take your time with every shot when zeroing until you atleast nearly getting same hole groups. then you should be fine!

    pete.:up:
     
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    Look on the inside of the end cap
     
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    When it happened on my gun I could hear little bits of pellets rattling inside the silencer...but it was exactly the same symptoms I had.
     
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    Hi shadow if you are having good groups at 10 yards i dont think your pellets are clipping the silencer if they were clipping the silencer i would expect every shot to be different although im sure sombody will correct me if i'm wrong. try changing pellets i also shoot with an s410 and use AA field. Different makes, make a hell of a differnce

    i posted this on an earlier thread easiest way to prove that your aim is not at fault.

    I find the easiest way to zero in a scope is to clamp the gun in a weighted down B&D workmate using your missus fluffiest towel in the jaws to protect the gun. place a piece of plywood in the line of fire at the distance you want to zero in on and fire a couple of shots to check for pellet consistancy if ok adjust the cross hairs to where the pellets hit, fire off a few more shots in a different spot and check if ok try this at various distances. If your out shooting after setting up this way and you miss the target it's you not the gun.
    Unfortunately this way only works with a pcp gun as cocking a springer moves everything about and you also need a long garden.
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    I like that idea of using the workm8. But don't have 1 and my garden isnt big enough to to zero that rifle at the desired distance.
    so i need an alternative to my solution of zeroing the scope, so i guess I'll have to construct something which is light, easy to carry to the aria i have permission to shot on, and is stable enough to hold the rifle, or buy a bi-pod..

    all so i forgot to mention, when I'm looking throw the scope, i cant seem to focus on the target and the cross hair, ether the target is bleary of the cross hear is bleary:confused: (@ 10 yard or @20 yards) but @30 yard i see ever thing clearly:confused::confused:. i know my eye sight is fine and yesterday when shooting at the target at those distances i tryed focusing the the eyeball, and my power change ring (zoom) was @ 6 but still the same

    am going in to town to day to fill the rifle up and give it another go later this after noon,
     
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    sounds as if your scope isnt parralax adjustable but parralaxed for 30 yards thats why the sight picture is crisp at 30 usually zooming down to about 4 times helps if your gun is 22 zero it in at 9 yards with medium weight pellets you want it going through the same pellet hole at that distance key holing that 9 yards will give you a second zero near 30 yards if 177 try 12 yards key holing agagin medium weight pellets that should give you a secondary zero near 40 yards i actually draw small circles the same size as the pellet and expect it to hit them consistently at 9 or 12 yards that is resting of a bench then fine tune elevation the verticle at 30 or 40 you shouldnt need to adjust the windage if zeroed in perfect at the closer ranges good luck tc
     
  13. Darren Petts

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    As has been said try removing the silencer and also try AA Field pellets. They are generally brilliant in most guns. Also if the gun is brand new try cleaning the barrel as there may be some contamination from manufacture.

    Your scope is probably a fixed parallax one (no focus ring) and as such is set for centrefire ranges, ie 100 yards plus (99% of scopes are sold like this as std). You need to slacken but not remove the end outer ring on the objective bell. It should free by hand on most scopes, and then holding the inner locking ring for the objective lens twist it out a few turns until the range you wish to shoot at is clear. Then holding the inner ring stationary tighten the outer ring back up. This moves the focal range in focus from 30-infinity down to something like 15-45 where you'll need it but it almost always stuffs your zero up totally so be prepared to re-zero. You only need to do this the once so do it sooner rather than later.
     
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    well i didn't get the chance to go out yesterday with the rifle, and today the weather is just CRAP!

    So what i decided to do was, set up at target in the house:eek:. (yes SWMABO was out the house :D) and if she Court me i would have had to stick my head between my leg and kiss me ass good by. I was the only one in the house with the doors locked just to be on the safe side so that i know i was the only one in and no 1 could accidentally walk in and find a 22 pellet stuck in them

    KIDS DO !NOT! TRY THIS AT HOME with out a adult present

    Any who..

    walked 10 yards from point A - B. And i started to fireing at me target and only adjusting the wind age on the scopes.

    I fired 10 pellets at each target (=30 ) and I've number the 1-3 and all 30 pellets went in to a 1 inch group. and i put the cross hairs at the same point each time, used a pillow under my chest to help support me much comfortable and a small wooden chair and rested the rifle on the chair cross members so the rifle was stable the hole time i was shooting.

    and here's my results http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/6827/img054qa6.jpg
    [​IMG]



    So i think the other day when i was out with the rifle may be down to the wind, as i recall it was abit windy. and i'v had a look at the silencer still no sighn of clipping. and this time round the grouping is much better.
     
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    now try at 30 yards that will show any in accuracy problems up to be honest you should be getting those size groups at 30 yards get those air arms pellets can make an hell of a difference
     
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    10 yard groupings will tell you very little. You need to be doing the tests at 25 yards or more. Super Hollow Points have an exceptionally poor BC so loose energy fast downrange and may be innaccurate at longer ranges as a result.
     
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    TC...could you explain this a little deeper please, this old brain of mine is having great difficulty in understanding how there can be a "secondary zero". In my mind if you zero at something near, then shoot at something further away, you're always gonna be low.
     
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    Download chairgun Buzz. It'll explain far better than words but it's very dependant on scope height.
     
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    I will Darren, but I think what you've said is enough to make me see something I was missing. The converging angles of scope and barrel are greater at shorter distances and also greater with higher mounts.
     

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