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zeroing frustration

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Colg, May 20, 2015.

  1. Colg

    Colg Member

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    Hi All
    ive been trying to zero a new rifle but seems to be no better or slightly worse, doing this in the back garden at 10 yrds with no vice. Problem is not sure if its my shooting or the sight as 4, 10, 20, clicks on the scope seems to make no difference. Anyone know anyone in kent area that can zero a sight and how much they will charge.
    thanks
    Col
     
  2. Stevie Darling

    Stevie Darling Sexual tyrannosaurus

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    It could be many things mate,

    have you found the preferd pellet for your barrel, if not you will always be chasing zero:)
     
  3. Colg

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    Tried two types so far -proshot precision and diablo field. Diablos group but are high and right and not a tight group. shot about thirty/fifty pellets
     
  4. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    Right Col.

    Turn the adjustment dials all the way to the left (both the up down and left right dials), then turn all the way to the right, counting the clicks. Then turn back to the left half the number of clicks so you can centre the scope.

    Now aim at the target. If low or high shim accordingly (if low then shim the rear mount of the scope, if high shim the front). Adjust for height then work on the left and right. I recently had a problem with a gun that would not zero, at 6 and a half yards it was shooting to the right by 8 inches. Bent barrel! It was replaced by the wholesaler!
     
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  5. RichieRich

    RichieRich Ping!

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    At 10 yards, you are going to need far more clicks than 20 clicks. Reason is that it'll not look like it's moving at such a close distance. Further out at 30-50 yards, you'll see the difference.

    Also depends on the MOA, 1/8"@100 yards per click will need considerably more adjustment than one with 1/4"@100 yards due to the distance.

    Just keep persevering, you'll get it sorted ;)
     
  6. Colg

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    thanks,
    i'll try at 20- 25yrds this evening
     
  7. bundyk

    bundyk Engaging Member

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    Does your scope have AO and are you zoomed all the way in ?
     
  8. Colg

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    No AO, its a cheap standard scope that came as part of the gun package (cheap package by the standards on here).
     
  9. Accuspell

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    Colg - use a larger target card. Or a backing sheet of cardboar, just so you can see where your pellets are landing. If you are using a spring rifle, DO NOT clamp it in anything! That will send the pellets everywhere - you need a SOFT rest, a rolled up towel is as good as anything. If you are having trouble holding steady on target, use TWO rolled up towels, one under the forend and one under the stock to hold it all steady while in your shoulder. You still shoulder the rifle, the towels on a table are just to help steady your wobbles.

    The target - you will find it much better to use a cross to aim on than a circle or blob. The cross will align perfectly with your crosshair in the scope - a circle you are trying to estimate the centre as you look at it, that introduces an error before you ever squeeze the trigger. Can you be CERTAIN you are aiming at the centre every time, or just near the centre?

    Breathing - this will alter the impact pojnt when using ANY rifle. You need to co-ordinate your breathing with your firing cycle. Generally people breath in, then exhale very gently as they bring the sight onto the target and take up the first stage of the trigger, then as the sight aligns with the target, stop exhaling momentarily while you release the shot by taking up the rest of the trigger pull - not in a yank either, just tighten onto the trigger. DO THE SAME EVERY TIME for best results.

    At first, don't worry about hitting the centre of the cross. Fire a group and get the pellets landing in a close touching cluster, then you have something to work with to zero the rifle. If your shots are landing 1" apart, how do you know which one was correct and therefor the one to adjust the sight to? You don't, so you cannot adjust the sight successfully. Get your shots grouping well, practise so as to be able to repeat those groups, THEN you can zero the scope successfully by using the adjustments.

    AT 25 YARDS - to move the point of impact 1" you will need to turn the adjustment knob by 16 clicks (on most scopes). Some scopes move the point of impact by 1cm per click (European scopes such as Zeiss and Swarovski), others by 1/8th inch (target specific scopes in the main) - by fartrhe majority of scopes have 1/4" clicks at 100 yards. That is why at 25 yards you need to use FOUR TIMES as many clicks (25 yards is a quarter of 100 yards - at 200 yards you would need half as many clicks as at 100 yards).

    I hope that is of some use.
     
  10. Colg

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    Very useful, just trying secretagentmole method. Have been shooting at cross on a box and has been grouping one and half inch area with not two pellets near each other. Will be trying accuspell now.
    thanks all
     
  11. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    If you are new to this you might not be able to get a good group. Could be you are holding the rifle wrong. Try reading this!

    http://www.pyramydair.com/article/The_artillery_hold_June_2009/63

    Also do not spend hours trying to get a good group, have a break, have a read, have a think.

    Now what gun are you trying to zero in? Some guns are known for their reluctance to get a grouping under a blast radius! For example the BSA Lightning!

    Better go and replace the scope on the 77, I think I could use a better one on it.
     
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    Update- seems to have worked grouping nicely within inch of my aim, can't blame gun. Combination of not moving adjustment enough and too close a target and too many YouTube clips.
    thanks again all
     
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    Not being funny but you say it is a new rifle. Are you new to springer shooting as well? If so it could be ,in addition to all the others have said, that you have not got settled in yet. Have you read up and viewd videos on the artillery hold...might just be the problem in addition to getting scope zeroed.
    Apologies if you are experienced and this is not relevant
    Dag
     
  14. Colg

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    Good point, am definitely out of practice but never was as bad or as far out as this was. Always blame myself first which is why I was looking for a gunshot or other to zero then I know it's me but I'm think it's close enough now. Will let you know in 500 pellets.
     
  15. dazgrif30

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    Try different pellets Try premiers cross man mine group with them now if don't group at 10yds cud be barrel or. Scope naffed make sure all screws are tight like barrel locator screw etc try cleaning barrel out
     
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    Glad you are sorted.
    If u get more problems.
    I am in Tunbridge Wells, and am happy to help if u want to drop by.
    Marc
     
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    Thanks, will keep you posted
     

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