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Zbroia Sapsan & Kozak Fc

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by littleJon365, Mar 14, 2019.

  1. Petay

    Petay Donator

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    £720 is more reasonable as long as the additional barrels are not an absolute joke price.

    The Sapsan is not really a looker. The fact they’ve gone with the standard stained ash for the back end but used a plastic for the fore end just looks a bit pants to me. Also the barrel would have looked better shrouded given the odd sized cyclinder they are using.

    The original Kozak is superior to the Kozak FC for me. It was already short enough and being a semi pup it didn’t have issues found on most full pups - i.e cocking lever behind you and no ability to adjust head position to align with scope.

    I like Zbroia as a brand and I’d love for them to become more mainstream in the UK as stocks aside they do make a very well put together and accurate gun.
     
  2. littleJon365

    littleJon365 Democracy unless they disagree

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    £720 is slightly more reasonable but they are getting slightly ahead of themselves. They should have stuck around the 600 mark IMO and continued to grow the reputation before trying to squeeze more out. Look forward to seeing a few real world Ytube vids first and getting as much info before making a decision
     
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  3. TR158

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    Agree with this. I think at this stage and so early on in their UK career they're reaching a little, although I commend Countryway for not pricing the way in which other retailers might be inclined to (RRP)

    I don't see anything premium in comparison with the current models, asides from the calibre change option and I think they'll find it a challenge to compete with the more premium brands until they're well established. Building a solid reputation, improving your product and pricing accordingly as time progresses beats a sudden influx of models, much higher prices and the potential for reputational damage if they turn out to be not as great as their current superstar (the Kozak) and people return them. I'm quite taken with Kozak and happy to overlook any niggles due to the quality and price point but the latest offering would have to punch way above what the Kozak offers for the price.

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    The Regael unit is right next door to Pellpax. When I phoned Regael it phoned this unit, perhaps it was coincidence that I spoke to Chris who works for Pellpax.
     
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    Okay so after seeing that video I can answer my own question!
    Longer barrel and air cylinder means the cocking lever has to move back too, it's more shots but is it more accuracy?
    Can't judge it until it's here but not a fan of the layout personally
     
  6. mekon88

    mekon88 Guest

    has anyone here actually had their hands on or in a biathlon?
    Zbroias much more advanced rifle?
    the kozak and FC, hortitsia are relatively simple but incredibly effective tools, if the sapsan block is using internals akin to their biathlon model then its a steal, a friend of mine has a bithalon universal and an impact, guess which one he says "shoots like a laser" about? so if you consider thats a 900 quid zbroia going up against a 1600 quid FX that sort of changes the game a bit
     
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  7. Jukebox

    Jukebox HSE & Security for Smartfit UK

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    Nope......FX are a recognised world renowned brand that have guns like the Impact that win competitions and have a top tier status amongst people that want high end guns.
    Zbroia are a relatively unknown Ukranian company that have had success with a couple of guns but the Kozak being the main one.
    Fx have a number of proven guns.
    Zbroia don't.

    In £900 territory your looking at a lot of proven guns by established marques.
    Air arms and wierauch spring to mind then the used market your looking at tried and tested guns .... again from FX, Daystate etc.

    £900 is too high too soon on the back of a couple of decent guns in my opinion.
    Get a couple out there first...build on your following and new buyers...then start introducing your 'premium' guns and build on your brand.
    Brand loyalty ...I'd love to stick with Zbroia on their journey and own as many guns as I can because I genuinely do love my little Kozzie.......by doubling the price of the next release will ensure they lose my custom and my interest and I'll go with the tried and tested makers.....for now anyway.
     
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  8. mekon88

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    I take it none of you chaps would entertain an RTI priest either then?

    How many rifles are out there with the ability to change calibre quickly?

    And the prices?

    Can anyone name a rifle with that capability for less than 900? cos Im interested to hear that?

    You all say its too expensive yet it will be the cheapest on the market that has that feature, how much R and D do you think goes into something like this? Doesnt Zbroia deserve to make some money?

    Lets stir the pot shall we?
    who thinks the Daystate Redwolf is too expensive?
    Now name me a cheaper electronically mapped rifle?
    if you want a feature like interchangeable calibres, or electronic mapping then as premium features expect a premium price tag.

    perhaps stop comparing apples to oranges folks!
     
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  9. TR158

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    Calm down fella

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    To me the FC looks like a cricket copy , even down to the shape of the forend
     
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    These other 'high end' brands earned their stripes over time. Zbroia are relatively new to the party. I don't think anyone doubts their capability but it's asking alot to ask people to take a leap of faith without the pedigree.

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    I'm not keen on the look of the sapsan (think it's the black stock that puts me off) and the kozak fc is a step backward regarding the cocking arm position.ive been looking at the biathlon model and am a little tempted
     
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    After watching the video posted earlier I'm quite liking the sapsan but again it seems to be a kalibrgun copy but this time of the hummingbird in looks
    But at 720 I think is a good buy ....... it's good to have a new player (zbroia) on the field
     
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  14. littleJon365

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    I’ve had a priest and I wouldn’t own one again. It was Very accurate but changing barrels and making power was a pig with .25 and .22. Cocking the rifle wasn’t great when messing with swapping calibers, so much so that you needed arms like popeye and so much so that some bits sheared off inside and had to get it fixed twice. I liked it, but it wasn’t an impact and the same quality that’s for sure. It’s also very heavy to shoulder and not something I’d take around my perm, even on a sling.
    That’s just my short opinion on the priest and maybe others had a better ride :thumb:

    I think for £900 it would price the Zbroia as too expensive because they haven’t established themselves in this market at a level where people will spend that much without looking to a brand that everyone has heard of and knows someone who owns a HW100 for example. It’s not like the Priest has sold in droves either. If the price comes in around £700 as suggested by Countey way then that is maybe apealing depending on barrel price and what’s “under the hood” so to speak. Pellpax have said that’s the price on pre order at £900 so it would be amazing if country way could get them for £700 ish, somethings not right there.
     
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    after showing an initial interest, the price just puts me off.

    Trying to run before you can walk is a phrase that springs to mind.

    As said before, even the sensible Countryway price tag puts the Sapsan firmly in the territory of proven tried and tested performers.

    Watching with interest, though slightly less interest than previously
     
  16. Jukebox

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    Firstly....how do you know the barrel can be changed quickly when theres relatively little info out there?
    How much work to adjust the power levels at sub 12ftlb when changing barrels?

    Secondly as the first is unknown then you can change the barrels of most guns relatively easy if you know how.

    Thirdly..do you know how much has gone into the R&D of this gun?

    Fourthly..how do you know Zbroia havnt made a s**t ton of money from the products they already have?

    Most here are realists mate and you compare oranges with oranges when its 2 oranges your comparing against each other...at the minute, if we use an
    Impact and a Sapsan, we have an orange and a stick of celery!

    Ps...are you a Zbroia affiliate or a Pellpax employee :p:D:p:D
     
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    Without wanting to sound stupid, why would you want the gimmick of interchangeable barrels?! Having to rezero every time, faff around... I would rather have 2 rifles set up for 2 different tasks eg .177 rabbits .25 barn work on rats

    Now for my gripe... the sapsan, cocking lever forward but mag loading at the rear.... ruling out lefties from owning!!!!

    Why can’t these companies design a simple sliding cover/ cheek piece that pushes forward to expose the breach then slides back so you don’t smash your face up on the mag and breech.... its a simple thing to do!

    Morning all


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    I had the same on an FX Wildcat, the right side of the stock was flat metal so definitely not for lefties but a simple £10 3D-printed rounded cheekpiece then made it ambidextrous.
    Which begs the question....why not make it like that in the first place???? It didn't alter the rifle in any way, so why cut out 10% of the market by ignoring our left-handedness? :mad:
     
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    Exactly, and if they made a truly ambi rifle like this it would be one of the very few out there!


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    I am not sure barrel changing is a massive benefit.I know people with fac guns with this capability and never do it. You need to have the slot on your ticket just for the barrel. I would rather have another gun set up correctly for sub12fpe. I like guns to be accurate and comfortable to shoot,I don't really care about nice wood with me it is function all the way. I think the so called premium brands are overpriced but they are trying to get rich. My Wildcat was not without its problems in spite of its £1000 price tag.
     
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