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Your opinions guys.

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Bing17, Dec 28, 2013.

  1. Bing17

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    Hi guys.
    Well I recently came into possession of a Mk1 Gunpower Stealth in .22
    Now I always shot .22 springers as a kid but have since only shot my mates .177 precharged Falcon in recent years. I have been into the shotgun competition side of things but since giving up the competitions to favour other commitments I only shoot for fun these days. Now the stealth has got me right back into the airgun side of things as it's not limited like the shotgun is, I can't get the shotgun out on the back yard for a pop now can I :D but with the airgun it keeps me interested whenever I like.
    But here my problem, after being spoilt with my mates lovely Falcon in .177, the .22 of the stealth just isn't doing it for me, even though that's all I used to use. I've put over 100 shots through it today and just haven't gelled with it. It's not the gun its self, just the caliber I think! I'm a fan of both the tactical look and the conventional, so this isn't a problem.
    So can you guys help me here, I'd ideally like to move to a .177 precharged gun. Single shot is fine and I prefer lighter weight guns.
    I've shot a fair few guns in my time but not recently apart from a Ultra tactical (which I liked)
    A while back, a Raider, quite bulky. A Hornet, can't remember much about that.. AA S200, liked that! What would you recommend I try out/buy?
    it would be mainly not used in anger, although It would be used for the odd vermin kill down the farm yard and allotment, so needs to be capable.
    Budget depends really on what the Stealth is worth, obviously I'm looking at 2nd hand buys or maybe even a swap. I can afford to add a little on top of the stealth price if needed but not a lot as I'd like to buy a charging bottle too.
    So what's the Stealth worth, its a Mk1, in good condition apart from the odd bit of rust on the scope mount bolt heads. Has the silencer, bipod and 4-12x40 (or 50?) Bushnell Banner scopes + it's take down bag.

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    Apologies if some of this is Pigeon English, I've had a few beers tonight lol!
     
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    Bump :) someone must be able to shed some light on this for me.
     
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    Rule of thumb tends to be around 60% of new prices for clean items, or 70% for a particularly desirable and minty example.

    Your problem as I see it is finding a Gunpower Stealth fan who will give you what you consider a reasonable price for it.

    They're a marmite gun in every sense; you either love them or hate them.

    One RFD of my acquaintance has had one in his shop for almost three years - he's tried dropping the price but he just can't shift it.

    A quick Google will take you to tons of sales ads which might give you an idea of price, but finding the right buyer is going to be your main problem.

    The Banner scope is ambitiously priced when new for what it is - other scopes in its price bracket offer far more for the same or even less money.

    This all sounds very doom and gloom and I'm certainly not trying to rain on your parade, but I don't really know what else to tell you other than that you have a niche gun. If you can move it on for around what you paid for it then do so, or accept a hit to trade up to something you like more.

    Calibre is the most over-argued point in argunning. It makes precisely no difference unless you're chasing certain disciplines (FT, HFT and similar). You can learn your impact points with any calibre at known range - basically you should be able to make any calibre work for you although, as you probably already know, a .177 PCP will give you far fewer shots than a .22, necessitating more filling, and there is a price difference in pellets.

    Falcon guns are brilliant - light and a great workhorse gun, well designed, easy to work on.

    A Birmingham made Raider is a very underrated gun.

    Air Arms S200 with a multishot conversion might make the most sense in terms of what you get for your money - seriously good value...

    Brocock if you need a super-light gun, but they're a b****r to work on compared to Air Arms, Falcon, Webley Raider etc,.

    Sorry I can't be of more help other than to generalise...
     
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    what he said
     
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    the set up you got there ** is worth between £300-£350. i had one but had a few other bits with mine and some custome work with it and got £450 but was a fair few more bits. stealths are about £499 new depending were ya go.£300-£350 is a fair asking price i would say budd
     
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    there is a stealth forum on facebook that has alot of buyers on there.
     
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    No thats very helpful mate, Its good to hear a non bias opinion. I just cant make my mind up on the whole calibre thing, I've been out again with it today and put some more shots through it and I seem to be getting on with it better than yesterday. Maybe I was just having one of those days! :rolleyes:

    I dont think I could lose money on the stealth but thats not the point. I'd rather not rush into changing guns but I keep seeing so many guns I like lol!

    The raider was an old model, so an original Birmingham made gun, and FAC too. The S200 was a mk1 but really nice also. But my mates Falcon is just really nice, its quite a small gun and doesnt look like they sell them anymore, super accurate and reliable though.
    Thanks again for the input :up:
     
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    had a friend some years ago who also could not shift his stealth for anything like what it was worth, shame really because they are a cracking rifle.
    as for another rife mate, seeing has you don't want anything heavy weight, falcon or brocock, love my super six, one for sale right now in sales section.
     
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    Thanks for that buddy, I've just had a quick look on Facebook but only really found the american side of it. Any links? :)
     
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    I don't necessarily mean super light weight, I shoot a 32" 12 gauge so weight isnt actually a problem as such, I just find I can target shoot better with a rifle on the lighter side, and not bulky and front end heavy. I suppose its been a long time since ive shot with something bigger rifle wise though, when i was in my teens and as far through as a crisp I struggled with bigger guns, but like I said thats not a problem now days Ive just always preferred lighter guns since then. The Ultra tactical I shot the other days was fine weight wise, felts pretty light weight actually, not sure if they are classed as light or not.
     
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    you will know what light is when you pick up any brocock rifle mate, you could walk miles and miles with one and still don't know your carrying it.
     
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    The Stealth should, assuming it has no faults, drill ragged one hole groups all day long if you do your bit.

    So will any PCP.

    I prefer the handling of the Mk 1 S200 over the newer models, but not to look at ;)

    You may just have to find the right position to get good eye alignment and scope/eye relief.

    I always wanted a Logun S16 until recently when I tried one and just couldn't wrap myself around the damn thing :(

    I can make the Logun Evo work for me, but it was a bit of a disappointment to find I couldn't get along with something I'd aways fancied although, at the end of the day, it saved me a few quid since I was about to buy one :rolleyes:

    Trouble is there are loads of capable guns out there and no matter what you get you will very probably always find your eye drawn by something else at some point.

    Sometimes though, when you get to the other side, the grass is just grass and it's no greener...

    I used to own a little Webley LiteW8 and I loved it. Useful shot count, light, short, incredibly consistent, deadly accurate, quiet, robust and reliable; stuff everyone who adopts the "OK for the money" attitude :rolleyes:

    I'd have another one in a heartbeat.

    It's about finding a way to work with what you have or, if you can't (not the same as won't), then it turns into a quest to find something you can work with.

    Good luck - frustration is always difficult to overcome but, as I've said, provided the gun is mechanically sound and you can wrap yourself around it well enough to get correct eye alignment and relief, it should drill boring one hole groups all day every day...
     
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    The simplest amswer is AA S400 carbine, Best gun for requirements and more.
     
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    I bought a second hand phase 2 Stealth from my local gun shop a few months ago.

    I had the actual gun with silencer, 3-9x50 scopes, filing adaptor, Stealth bag and stealth bipod in mint condition ( looks brand new ) for £240.

    As said previously, it's a marmite gun. I've seen these advertised for less and more.
     
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    Marmite gun as others have already said. I hated mine to be honest. Looking for a light weight good gun? Take a look at brocock contour super 6. One of my all time favourites and the newer versions have a decent shot count but nowhere near as much as the stealth.
     
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    as others have said if you want a sub 12ftlb rifle that will shoot groups to die for and really light can't go wrong with a Brocock, and comparatively cheap compared to other makes.
     
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    Id reckon on a value of ballpark £300 for the Stealth, 'scope etc - were it mine I'd advertise at £325-£350 and be prepared to come down.

    As far as I'm concerned the Air Arms S400 is the default choice for a mid-range PCP; the sale price of the stealth should cover most of the price of a used S400 but you might have to add a little more to get the rifle you want.


    What it was actually worth or what your mate thought or hoped it was worth? The old adage is that something is only worth what someone is willing to pay; so if he got no takers chances are he was asking too much. The obvious exception here being particularly specialised items with a limited market. While an "acquired taste" I wouldn't call the Stealth particularly specialised; although it's doubtless less popular than a lot of more "mainstream" PCPs.
     
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    he was asking £300 at the time clover with a half decent scope, this is some 6 odd years ago, still got it now and still wants £300.
     
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    If u manage to get rid mate have a look at s400 carbines and superlites or maybe a BSA ultra se ?
     

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