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Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by kermitboy1, Jul 14, 2014.

  1. kermitboy1

    kermitboy1 Banned

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    Took my .17 HMR along to one of the nearer 'RFD' to me, in the hope that I could do a part x on a new 1517. Having driven close to 50 miles, I then learn that you cant just walk in to an 'RFD' with your ticket and gun, and hope for a part x on a identical calibre rifle. Wish this had been explained somewhere on the ticket. Would have saved me petrol and a very red face. Still I now know better. KB1
     
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    It's irrelevant to me really as I don't have FAC, but what do you have to do to be able to get the swap you are after?
     
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    Not that I've ever done it but I suspect you have to sell your existing rifle to the RFD, send the paperwork to the polis to inform them of the transfer, request that the empty slot remains when the ticket is returned (otherwise the devious t*ssers will just write the slot off), wait for your new ticket to be returned, get back to the RFD, buy the gun, send your paperwork to the polis to have it added / notify them of the transfer... all in all a significant ballache and probably why I've only ever purchased one Section 1 rifle in the 16yrs I've had my ticket :rolleyes:
     
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    Spot on basically. Hence I wont be buying any new rifle this year. KB1:protest:
     
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    Depends on the local Police force who administer your FAC. In broad terms, you need an open slot on your FAC to buy another gun. Cloverleaf mensions one approach, but that leaves you without a rifle for several weeks

    Another way is to send off your FAC to the Police with a covering letter telling them what your are trying to achieve, and ask if they will put a temp slot on the FAC.

    Once your FAC is returned you then go back to the RFD, buy the new rifle, which he puts the on the temp slot, and he buys your old rifle.

    You then send the FAC back to the Police telling them you've sold your existing rifle and to whom, (you are required to do this by law) and they will switch your new rifle from the temp slot onto the permanent one.

    The Police have actually got a lot of latitude on how they want all this to work, but sadly not all Forces are as co-operative and as reasonable as some..
     
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    What a pain in the backside that sounds!! You would have thought they could do it all in one, at least through an RFD anyway. I can understand for private sales. Oh well, good luck in getting what you are after..............................eventually!

    Edit after reading Pete's post. I suppose that would make it a bit simpler, but as you say, it depends in the force which cover where you live.
     
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    It does very much depend on the Police Force involved and it also pays to keep on the good side of the girls who work in the office. Being polite and courteous in your dealings with them really does help to smooth things over when things go wrong...p**s them off, and I suspect your paper work keeps getting moved to the back of the queue!
     
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    Sadly it seems that most forces have an agenda to make things as convoluted and troublesome as they can for ticket holders.. less license holders / sales / transfers equals less paperwork for them :rolleyes:
     
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    It certainly feels that way at times! It also depends on how the Chief Constable views FAC holders.. Sometimes the FLO is just as frustrated as you are, but has his hands tied because the Chief Constable has a bee in his bonnet over some particular aspect of licencing.
     
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    Just ring up the guys at Springfield FSEL and speak to them as its more than possible that some easier workaround is possible like the temp slot suggested. They don't seem to be a difficult force to get on with in relation to firearms and turn around times always seem to be good. But you live and learn I suppose. Atb
     
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    An example of why the rules should be standardised across all forces?
     
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    The Law is standardised across England and Wales, and the Home Office even publishes the so called "Home Office Guidance" which is their interpretation/clarification of the law and how they recommend it is enacted/enforced, but there is still big differences between the various forces..

    I live in North Wales, and apart from them being a bit slow doing the paperwork at times, I've always found them to be very reasonable and easy to work with. On the other hand, I have friends who swear just the opposite and seem to run into problems all the while with them so the whole process seems to be very hit or miss at times..
     
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    Aye, to be fair our FLO is pretty good. Get the distinct feeling there's an anti-gun agenda from the top, though :(
     
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    You should have left the rifle at the RFD and got him to to print a receipt of possession. Then go home an do a one for one variation form application along with RFD receipt and post. Wait a few weeks or months depending on the police force and then go collect the new rifle.

    Its a pain but it's the procedure that has to be done.

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    Many years ago, I used to shoot pistol and bought a new CZ75. On getting it home and checking it over, I found a hair line crack in the metalwork of the handle.

    To return it to the RFD and get a one for one swap should have required a mountain of paperwork but after calling the local FLO, he took pity and told me to get the RFD to call him once I was at the premises. I did this, and the FLO basically ok'd the dealer to swap the pistol and amend the paperwork himself before sending it off to him.

    It was a common sense solution to the problem, and a breath of fresh air, but sadly that type of attitude/ approach is getting to be a thing of the past..
     
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    Thanks for all the advice people. I think I may just hold on to the 'T' bolt. After all, she does what I ask of her. On a good day, anyway. Cheers KB1
     
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    Oops!!
    But there is such a simple solution, put in for a variation for a .17 hmr to use at night.
    Buy the 1517, put a night scope on your old gun, job done 24 hour shooting covered.
    Go on it would be a shame to leave that gun sat in the gunshop. You no you want to Lol :):):):):):):)
    Cheers Andy
     
  18. kermitboy1

    kermitboy1 Banned

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    I hate you Andy, and my wife says your a bad influence. Are you having a laugh son. Night vision and a new rifle, yeah right. I can really see the one who wears the trousers in this house, buying in to that idea. NOT. You must be joking mate.

    I will stick with the Browning, and be satisfied with my lot. My glass is half full thanks. Now get back on your 'Combine' and start cutting that 'oil seed'. Heavy rain and storms by Saturday. Be lucky. KB1 :eek:
     
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    The money will only get spent on handbags shoes and redecorating every time she buys a new magazine anyway.

    Ps. Can you tell my other half does not read this forum very often :):)
    Take care.
    Cheers Andy
     
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