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Wildcat V Kozak

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by TonyB55, Sep 22, 2019.

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  1. TonyB55

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    I went to the range today to try and decide which rifle to use for the 20m LSR competition. Started with the FX .177 with an Athlon scope. Scored 93 after a couple of practice cards, not great grouping. Swapped to the Kozak .177 shorty with Discovery scope. Another couple of practice cards then serious card, did 97. I find the Kozak a much more stable rifle to shoot, the Wildcat is a little too light. Both guns seem to shoot any pellet, infact I mixed the Kozak magazine with Proshot Precision and Accupels, did'nt seem to make any difference. The Wildcat has a synthetic stock that I suspect makes a difference to the stability. It is probably fine for hunting but I think I need a wooden stock. Might try to see it anyone wants to swap.
     
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    If you can shoot four consecutive 97s I'll find you a place in my team.... :)
     
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    Bizarrely I found the opposite. I've had 5 Kozaks (looooong story!) and after getting fed of all of the issues I picked up a used Mk1 Wildcat which I find much better all round. That said, I do shoot mainly rested and I have a bipod and Hawke 30SF 4-16x50 scope fitted which in unison make it the perfect weight and balance for me, when I do shoulder it. It wasn't love at first sight however. Although accurate and ij my opinion easy on the eye, I found it very easy to cant and pull a shot. After finding the ideal scope and mount height for me it all fell into place and I love it.

    Its funny how personal the fit and feel of a rifle is to an individual. I've seen many people at the range struggling with their rifles, trying to find a way to gel with it and it can be an expensive and soul destroying experience going through different scopes, mounts, adjustable but pads, pellets etc in pursuit of the perfect balance.

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    My competition only requires two cards per round. A couple of the guys I shoot with average 98, 97 would'nt win anything
     
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    Our local comp is also ex-200; I was looking to see if you could shoot 194 twice. 98 ex 100 average is excellent, 392 ex 400 would get you into the last eight in the country in the NSRA ELEY comp.
     
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    Do you know a chap called Bill at Swadlincote, he's just recently got hold of a Kozak and is delighted with it.
     
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    I use a kozak shorty for slr comps,before that I used a a/a s200.the 200 was great but this kozak is even better ,much better fit and nice too shoot espc with the side cocking lever ,lovely and smooth.thats all the good bits. now the bad bits(sorry there has to be some).the kozak has some reg problems and air leak problems also some accuracy problems. for those who don't mind a bit of work all these are fixable and you end up with a really good rifle for slr comps.
     
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    Jukebox Better to burn out...than to fade away.

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    A fully sorted Kozak urinates all over a Wildcat in my opinion.
    Fits better, balanced better and with the adjustable cheek riser on the stock is miles in front of the wildcat and its fussy eye positioning to get down the scope comfortably.

    Just my opinion of course and Ive shot them both extensively....both bloody accurate guns though :thumb:
     
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    Agree re: reg : it creeps, and not slowly.
    Not had an inaccurate one yet. One or two that were graunchy to cock (lube rear of pellet probe main shaft) the newer ones in dark Ash (their wood of choice) are nicer that the Matt black earlier models, and the extra brass fixings are nice. Not convinced about the slot head screws, but the safety relocation is very welcome - with the older ones, too easy to knock on / off. Not sure the barrel upgrade is even necessary - every STD one I've had across my bench has been fantastic. Add a HuMa reg - great rifle, and before someone jumps in with you shouldn't have to spend £100 on a rifle etc yes, you're right, but we all do it anyway...

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    my kozak ,I fitted a huma reg and set it up(perfect), ive had no air leaks ,( but a few owners have), accuracy, I machined the end of the baffle shroud too fit the barrel ( shoots perfectly now). so all in all I spent £80 on the huma reg. that's it too fix it. I have @RichieRich mag holder cases, butt extension and @crashone brass trigger guard, safety switch,. all fits like a glove.
     
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    Yes he bought one after trying mine. His is a long barrelled one and it one holes at 25m off a rest. His is another early one, no leaks, no spikes just very accurate.
     
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    He told me on the phone yesterday how impressed he is with it. Bill was a member at Shebbear for some years before he decided to go back up country for family reasons. First class chap. Always good company and always willing to help newbies.
     
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    I was shooting with him today.
     
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    Long barrel will be a walther barrel.
    I have one of these early ones....
     
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    Interesting read. I've not shot a wildcat but it's one I've always liked the look of and strongly considered before buying a Kozak. I, like most Kozak owners had a few issues. I've got a pretty well sorted rifle now (Huma, billy.whiz custom butt plate, crash one brass bits, bl4de mod spec'd by TR158, RichieRich mag holder) but feel it out shoots me. Rested it's pellet on pellet but as soon as I'm out in the field I lose a bit of confidence with it when compared with one of my HW100's and groups open up. I was only saying just last night with @Jonkem that I'll probably keep it forever given the time, effort and funds put into it. But if a suitable swap came up... Hmmmm....
     
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    Not a Walther barrel. Zbroias make their own. The walther barrell was a later option, not worth the extra, the standard barrel is accurate enough
     
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    For the short time that I owned one of better Kozaks I quite liked it, hence the 5 attempts. I'm still quietly holding hope that Zbronkers and RegaelPax manage to resolve the issues.

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    Walther...
     
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    Herbie , don't you dare abandon ship now you got it sorted.:p stick with us it will get better. one tip ive found is make sure you shoulder the kozak properly every time when you standing too shoot.
     
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    Is there an RFD that stocks just a replacement .22 x 450 barrel?
     

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