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Scopes which scope would you choose

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by sillygarry, Mar 8, 2014.

  1. sillygarry

    sillygarry Posting Addict

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    mtc viper or hawke panorama that is the question :confused: wanted for hunting,ratting and some hft :confused:
     
  2. Ganton Gunner

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    personal prefernance to be fair try both and see which you prefer :)
     
  3. Wild Bill

    Wild Bill co2 Enthusiast, HW97, K98 owner

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    Without a doubt, in my humble opinion, for HFT and hunting, the Hawke Panorama 4-12x40 IR AO. The half mildot ret is sublime and the glass is better than the MTC viper (any of them).
     
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    Have never owned a Viper, but have used them before. I prefer the Panorama myself.
     
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    I'm bang in the middle people of the same quandary... Was going to go for the panorama 3-9x40 IR AO, But some people say it struggles for light so go for the 50 objective.. Decisions decisions.. Darn it, now I also need to think about the 4-12!
     
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    Got a viper,never used a panorama so can't compare the two.I am not keen on the scb ret it is far too cluttered for me,so the half mildot would be my personal preference,but I love the quality of the viper.
    andy.
     
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    Very good question, I have a Panorama 3-9 x 40 and a Viper 10 x 44 and would struggle to say which one is better, but for your needs then I would go with the Panorama of the 2 I have. I'm shortly going to buy a Viper 3-12x44 to see if this is better for my needs.
     
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    Have a 40mm and 50mm panorama and like both. Light is good on both. Never had a viper but did have a mamba and didnt like it.
     
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    I have had three Vipers and four Panorama's but you must compare apples with apples. The range of the Panorama's is vast so I will say that the 4-12x40 AOIREV with MAP6A was better in nearly every department than the Vipers in all but one area. The gradients on the Panorama's were inaccurate whereas the Viper was spot on. Glass was much of a muchness at these prices but as I have stuck with the Pano's it's not hard to see what I favour. The simple uncluttered MAP6A ret does me just fine for HFT. The new Airmax scopes look interesting too with SWF.
     
  10. scoie

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    hi sillygarry
    im in Ruislip so nice and close if you want to look at my panoromas before spending hard earned cash, ive 2 x 4-12x40( one front ao , the other fixed ) and rate then highly , I couldn't get on with MTC and whiting out problems ( to my eyes anyway).
    pm if you want to have a look
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  11. gasman

    gasman Up a bit,,,,,,,

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    I had both, sold the viper, I'd go for the hawke all day long, better optics and ret's are better too
     
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    As already said it's a personal thing, have a look through both and see what you like the best :up:

    For or me I've had both but only have the MTC now, the hawke scopes are very nice but like the MTC better
     
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    This ^^

    I've yet to be wowed by anything MTC and although you can get better scopes than the Panorama the 4-12x40 IR AO is a solid performer and very usable.

    Having owned a 50 and (briefly) a 40mm I'd go for the 40mm every time. The 50mm was a pig by comparison, and suffered from loss of focus out towards the edges of the lenses. The smaller scope was infinitely more flexible and useful for target acquisition - I came dangerously close to buying another one recently to go on top of a project gun.

    I was hugely relieved to get rid of the 50mm Panorama...

    Note that I've avoided banging on about alternatives since you seem to have your mind fairly set ;)

    If low light performance is a concern then there are better options in a very similar price point, but not if AO is also a priority.

    Good luck !
     
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    I meant to add, have you seen the relatively new side focus 2.5-10x44 Hawke Varmint ?

    Same half mil dot ret but slightly bigger lens and side focus is always handy.

    Might make an interesting trade off for the illuminated ret of the Panorama.

    One word of caution - the half mil dot ret is a real marmite option. Someone mentioned MAP 6A earlier and that could be a much more useable ret, depending on your eyes.

    I didn't much care for the half mil dot ret but I found the MAP 6A a lot easier to get along with and use.

    Everyone is different though.

    Happy hunting :)
     
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    Hawke, as mtc suffers at dusk and is unnecessarily heavy for hunting.
     
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    Sort of agree . i done 12 months between Hawke and MTC swapping on and of my ranger . not bothered about weight as i lug a Ranger around , find the MTC ret to imposing on IR mode , i do not want an illuminated Xmas tree at dusk obscuring everything :mad: Same with my sidewinder Sr6 however i just bought a 8/32 sidewinder from a forum member with a different ret , so il try that when it arrives in the next couple of days ,So Far im preferring Hawke optics . However modern optics are a bit all singing all dancing , iv used high mags and side focus Parallax to learn the limitations of sub 12 air . Done that now with 3 scopes up to about £900 all in . now after about 2 years know my kit . need proper glass so going to sell them all to buy a Zeiss 4/16 x 50 , side parallax , sod all else , know how far over to aim at distance now , job done , for now :rolleyes:
     
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    Can't find anywhere with the panorama 4-12 x40 I stock at the moment, the varmint side focus looks interesting, anyone go one?
     
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    Deben have more Panoramas coming in at the end of this month.
     
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    Have you tried Rifle Sports over in Grays ? They normally have a reasonable stock of Hawkes.
     
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    Lol, shame you did not ask this before the charity shoot, I had the Hawke 4-12x40 AO on my 95 that day
     

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