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Which Rifle?

Discussion in 'Firearms Certificate (FAC) Guns' started by JoeHeugh, Nov 5, 2019.

  1. JoeHeugh

    JoeHeugh Beware the Springer

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    Burpster, I did not address your query as to why I'm looking for a barrel of 14 - 16 inches. Mainly it's about portability with a mod fitted as there are times I will be walking through woods with the Baikal Stealth in my hands or shooting from a hide so I'm looking for a shorter gun when fitted with a moderator. My main guide has been Small Bore Rifles by C Rodney James and he implies that the accuracy a longer barrel length brings only really comes into play with full on target rifles and having a decent semi match or match chamber is more important. Also that there is minimal effect on velocity although as I'll be using subs that's not a concern for me. I stand to be corrected on this however, reading round is no substitute for experience and I accept that by wanting a shorter length I am discounting some excellent rifles like the FinnFire.
    As for the BSA's and older guns, I'd love to be able to play with some of these (I do have a thing for older guns) but with only one slot at the moment it's not feasible and I don't want to play the trade up down and swap about game ;)
     
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    The burpster Busy Member

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    You make valid points about mobility and as it’s a pure hunting tool you are after then I would be hard pushed to be convinced past the Tikka T1. The FF 1&2 both have tight chambers and long barrels and unless you can get a reflex moderator (they are out there but expensive and often heavy) then Then a 22” barrel is going to be a handful once you add a moderator believe me I know.
    Chopping a Sako barrel is a really bad idea and I have seen it go horribly wrong but even I wonder why the FF 1&2 have 22” barrels, when even the Lilja Sundberg taper barrel I have on mine is only 21”? There is very little about target grade barrels that Mr Lilja doesn’t know and he believes this is the optimum length for .22lr and mine with R50 &R100 is like a laser. So why the likes of Sako and Anschutz make target (and even the FF hunter) barrels longer beats me, unless it’s purely a balance thing as obviously the traditional target stance is very dependent on have all the weight in the right places........

    Having said it is a long old beast the FF WITHOUT a mod is probably one of THE most pointable hunting rifles out the box I have ever owned. Using the open sights is a dream.....
     
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    JoeHeugh Beware the Springer

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    So three things have happened today;

    1. I've found a new to me RFD nearby who says he has a large stock of rimfire both old and new of many makes and types so I will be visiting him tomorrow and handling and getting a feel for what I can.

    2. An envelope arrived today with my FAC and SGC coterminous so I'm all set to go. I can also buy some more SG cartridges as well as the FEO took my SGC away with him in August!

    3. I checked my bank balance today and all is good. Thanks to the advice here I'm hoping he does have a Tikka I can take a look at.

    Cheers
     
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    The burpster Busy Member

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    Happy hunting.......

    Can’t be tempted by one of these then......:D 15DA5332-E6B4-4100-9687-8EB2F054BB2C.jpeg
     
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    JoeHeugh Beware the Springer

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    Well no, but I have got my shooting partner worried I'm getting something like that, I said it would make me look more professional and like I knew what I was doing ;)
     
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    That’s my next acquisition (hopefully in the next couple of weeks) but it’s not for bunnies obvs.....
     
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    JoeHeugh Beware the Springer

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    Well I do think you could have a lot of fun with one of those. Being a bit of a retro chap I could see myself enjoying the MP44 or MP40 and if ever they bring out the FG42 again it would be "an investment".
     
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    This is an updated MP40, the others are long rifles. This is basically a Slovakian made MP5 competitor. As the only available .22lr MP5 replica is utter sh!te I am 100% confident this is going to be an awesome PR tool. :D
     
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    gasman Head of sales smartfit uk

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    Great news mate just one thing I’d say , don’t rush in make the right choices and enjoy
     
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    JoeHeugh Beware the Springer

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    Gasman said "don't rush in" which must be the most unrealistic piece of valid advice on this thread ;)

    I wanted to like the Browning T-Bolt and when I handled it I liked it the best of all. I don't know what the trigger weight is is but it's spot on for me giving a quite light crisp single stage break. The bolt also slides backward and forward with very little jerk at all. I actually spent about two hours this afternoon handling everything in the shop and while there was a very nice Anschutz 17 series at a shade over a grand it was more than I wanted to pay while a £450 one was a bit tatty and came with full length barrel. Sadly no Tikkas, but lots of other types old and new but this WAS the one I liked. Also when my scope was fitted it came up to the eye perfectly. So this is what I now have:

    Browning T-Bolt Target Varmint
    16.5 inch stainless steel barrel
    Composite stock - Dura Touch Armor Coating
    10 round flush fitting magazine
    Leupold 3-9x40 Freedom Rimfire scope on Weaver mounts
    SAK moderator

    So basically a lightweight weatherproof combo which should be durable and accurate, although testing it now has to wait for a week as I'm under orders to go for dinner with the wife's family tomorrow :(

    browning-tbolt-1-mini.jpg
     
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    Nothing wrong with T bolts despite some not liking them. Good back up with Browning too!
    If it suits you both needs and financially then it matters not one jot what any of us think! That will be a good working tool. Get lots of different boxes of ammo and have some fun working out which one works best....
     
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    This is a very personal thing. I have a CZ452 in a Klinsky target stock and a Hawke 6-24 SF Scope. Using it for benchrest off a bipod I score much the same as with my Match 54. It has a 16in barrel and is very accurate with SK Match ammunition
     
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    rich79 Lovin the smell of cordite in the morning

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    I like those Leupolds, very nice glass, I was tempted to get one in America a couple of months ago but I was pushing my luck with the Mrs & border security bringing back the Nikon Tactical as it was.
     
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    2506sendero Legend in his own mind & living on the edge.

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    Couldn't you have left the Mrs and bought the Leupold? :D :thumb:
     
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    Yours has a longer barrel than my wife's t-bolt. Now you've bought it:

    You won't regret it. It's bullet proof. My wife's gun is used in a shooting club, not in the field. It has had at least five thousand rounds through it if not more. For a field gun, it will do you well. It isn't particularly ammo fussy either. Shoots most stuff really well. The bolt is slick & smooth.

    I still prefer my Sako! The t-bolt is severely underrated as a gun. You've chosen it over the others, don't let anyone make you feel like you have made the wrong choice. You have exceptional glass on top too! Enjoy it.... it will serve you well without fail for many years to come. A spare magazine is expensive if you want another..... she just uses the one mag, on a range. 10 shots in a mag, generous for the field..... flush mag fitting too!

    Remember: My wife's gun has had thousands of rounds through it... it still performs and today she had a 1 hole tight group at 25m :thumb:
     
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    gasman Head of sales smartfit uk

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    I love my t-bolt,
    I buy the tikka still again if I was looking now or as well
    91E10B49-388C-4AD3-87C3-948D4ABB82AE.jpeg
     
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    JoeHeugh Beware the Springer

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    All I can say is that I'm very happy and I'm quite confident it will outshoot me for some time to come, in fact I'm over the moon with it. I did think I'd end up falling for an Anschutz but I have no regrets about this at all, just a shame I've got to wait a week to try it out but that's nothing compared to the wait for the FAC to come through. There's also that feeling of stepping up another rung in my shooting career and I feel a little bit proud about that so it's nice to have a decent gun to start out with. Today it was also very good to be able to handle so many different rimfires and meet an RFD who was happy to talk me through each and every one for over two hours, rifles that ranged from the truly awful to the sublime. He's just made another loyal customer.

    So thanks for all your input and the comments on the Finnfire thread have been helpful too. I'll certainly be letting you all know how I get on with it.

    Cheers

    Joe
     
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    Enjoy your new rifle, I’m sure it will serve you well mate.
    I must say I do like the stock, makes a change from the standard plain black :thumb:
     
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    Good choice Joe, I have the same gun but in Walnut, which is beautiful and feels a touch more substantial.
    In my case I went to a large gun shop and had everything out and I mean EVERYTHING out ,like you I went with an idea in mind on what I wanted to like and spent a long time there, about 3 hours in my case handling, shoved a lot back and was then left with 8 or 9 on the table, discarded about half of those and I think ended up with Anschultz 1517, T-bolt in both stocks, a Tikka, HW66 plus a CZ 452
    Can't remember why but it didn't feel right for me so the Tikka went back to the shelf first, the HW I felt wasn't put together or finished as well as it could for the price, sharp metal edges and wood looked cut after finishing so untreated bits.
    CZ I wanted to like and it would of shot very well but the tart in me kept thinking it just felt very agricultural in build so then left with the Annie and the T-bolt and spent ages trying them out, loved them both and they would of done me very well, I think it was just one con for the Annie everything else was pro's so I picked the T-bolt in the end, I didn't like the magazine on the Annie, plus it fell out on the table 3 times while I was playing with it.

    If you feel you need more adjustment on the trigger depending on if they have altered it since I got mine there is a fairly simple fix out there which does involve voiding the warrenty, I haven't done mine yet, may never do.

    Enjoy it.
     
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    JoeHeugh Beware the Springer

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    To be honest I can't remember half the guns I saw, some of the oddities were a Browning 1900 takedown, Winchester pump action, Marlins and modern Webley Excocets and ISSC Spa. My mate was quite impressed with the ISSC with a straight pull that reminded me of the Luger toggle bolt, but was not for me! I will admit that part of the attraction of the T-bolt was the carbon fibre look-alike stock and the stainless barrel and action so theres probably a bit of gun tart in me too. One thing I did notice with many guns was a general clunkyness I'd associate more with old military rifles than modern sporters and the main thing with the T-bolt for me was the overall feel and handling coupled with a trigger that seems spot.

    The magazine catch was an issue for me too and I'd identified this as a problem with the Anschutz. My mates Ruger 10/22 is the same and twice we have had to retrace our steps and scour a permission to find a dropped magazine which happily we did both times. I think losing magazines is pretty high up on the shooters list list of absolute nightmares so it surprises me how after all these years it's still an issue with so many makes. Nothings bombproof but the T-bolts recessed looks pretty good. There's a similar well for the spare magazine in the butt but I doubt I'll use it much, the butt is too much of a dirt trap and if I did lose it I probably wouldn't notice until the end of the day, maybe if I'm sitting in a hide or spending all day sitting down?

    Anyway the proof of the pudding, etc. I can't really say too much about this rifle until I try hitting something with it ;) I'll not be hunting this weekend but I will be putting it through it's paces!
     
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