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Question Which First Spring Rifle On A Budget?

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Glockwomble, Sep 22, 2014.

  1. Glockwomble

    Glockwomble Glock Loving Cockwomble

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    Hi all,

    My younger brother has been helping mum keep the rat population down using an old Ratcatcher, which to be honest has seen better days.

    Its now been a few weeks and he's still really keen so he's asked if he can have his own rifle (to be used under mums or my supervision only and locked away with our guns when not in use).

    Now here's the issue, he's only got about £140 to spend. The rifles he has shown interest in online browsing are the Hammerli Black Force 800, a Kral and a Webley VMX.

    I haven't bought a budget spring gun in some time now or fired one for that matter so i'm not sure what to advise him.

    Also he's not within close distance of any decent RFD's so cant try before buying in the shop.

    Any suggestions are much appreciated!
     
  2. timmytree

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    For that kind of money the best bet is a Hatsan 55s or 60s. If you can do a quick strip deburr and relube they can be made into a decent little rifle.
    Most of the other stuff in that price range is rubbish.
     
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    hello, if weight is not a problem then timmys suggestion is ok and change for a tinbums tune kit or a silencer, a bit extra money the HW30S with a silencer, there is always scopes for sale s/h on here. in no near RFD look for your nearest air rifle range they might have something suitable
     
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    hatsan mod 55s (.177) or the identical 60s (.22) - same rifles, different calibres
    best rifles going for the money mate
     
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    There's a HW99 with open sights on the WOC at the moment for £165,not mine btw.j
     
  6. jamez81

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    99s is a great rifle my 13 year old lad uses mine no probs.
    Full power and quality build,nice and short for ratting, I would say to try and get one with the updated cocking mod.
     
  7. vitalich

    vitalich Keyboard Hero

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    You can get scoped base lightning in good Nick for that cash
     
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    HW99S,Hatsan 55S,Remington Express,in that order,all are decent guns,especially the 99 if you sort the galling issue.

    Please,whatever you do,don't get a Spanish made Lightning even if someone pays you to take it :p brummie ones are alright though.
     
  9. Andy Wales

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    I must get around to doing this with my Hatsan 60s. I haven't touched it since brand new over a month ago. They can be a little "creaky" now and then when cocking etc as some have pointed out as there is a lack of lubrication when new. I find it very accurate etc straight out of the factory, but I will want a "kit" on it etc soon as most seem to highly recommend it. Problem is, I don't think I would like to "fettle" with it myself. Do RFD's that sell kits, (I'm thinking Welsh Willy at Woodfield-GCP) install them/service/lube for you for a price obviously?

    EDIT: To the OP, check out this recently posted thread all about the Hatsan 60's .22 if you want to know a lot more about it. The 55s is the same except it's the .177 version of the same rifle of course.

    Highly recommended by myself and loads of others as the ONLY budget springer worth buying for what you get etc. That 2 stage Quattro trigger is amazing! Don't know how Hatsan Arms do it all for the money, but I'm sure glad they do :)

    http://www.airgunforum.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/185978-Hatsan-60s-first-impressions

    Andy :)
     
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    stevemandm Honorary Member

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    yes andy, welsh willy not only supplies the spring kits, but also fits them. one word of warning tho, he is v v busy !(a victim of his own success). if you think that the rifle is good now, once a ww kit is fitted (titan spring and good quality lube and spacers/washers) it gets even better. why not call him up, or pm him on here, he's a forum member. he's a v nice bloke, as well as knowing his job, and if you organise it beforehand, i bet he will fit it for you while you wait. its the only upgrade that i would recommend, as the trigger is that good, i would leave it alone. the ww spring kit makes the rifle much better to shoot, as theres much less recoil, its quieter and more consistant powerwise, all adding up to increased accuracy
     
  11. Andy Wales

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    Thanks for the info Steve. I can take it there myself as I am not too far from him :D.

    Andy :)
     
  12. stevemandm

    stevemandm Honorary Member

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    if you take it to him andy, say hello from me - i've talked to him several times over the phone, and he may remember the kit he sent us, it was for matty's birthday last year
     
  13. Andy Wales

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    I will say hello from you no problem. Maybe one day you and Matty will visit South Wales and pick up a few "bits" off him while you're down here :D. I have been to Wakefield many times when I was an HGV Class 1 driver and I always found people I delivered steel to anywhere in Yorkshire to be the nicest of people :). My favourite drop ever was always at Stelrad in Mexborough, South Yorks. Quick unload, great cheap canteen and a big safe park right outside for a night out in the cab.......Ahhhh, those were the days :). The country around there looked good for shooting too, but in those times I never even gave it a thought :rolleyes:. Seems like another lifetime ago now.

    Andy :)
     
  14. stevemandm

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    yeah, wakey's not a bad place andy. will be sure to call in if ever we're down your way mate. in the meantime, keep an eye on the 2015 forum meet thread - if it comes off, it would be great for you to join us - maybe a few of you could club together and share cars - there's a few from your way intending coming up
     
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    For £140 and if you want a new gun then the Hatsan 55s or 60s is the best buy,it's well made,rugged and has a very good trigger.The Remington at about £160 has got some good reviews and it comes with a scope but it has a long reach to the trigger so probably wouldn't suit a youngster.The Hatsan is fairly weighty but would suit a youngster more due to its shorter trigger reach but it does have a strong barrel lock up,especially when new but it does ease with use and some lubricant applied.I'm only 5'6" but find the Hatsan suits me fine.The Weihrauch 99s is a good gun apart from the galling issue( the cocking arm scraping on the cylinder) which still seems to bedevil this rifle and you'd have to buy a secondhand one at that sought of money which could mean it's still got that problem.Like most new springers which usually come with virtually no lube inside you can remedy this quite a bit by removing the action from the stock and introducing a couple of drops of lubricant to the inside of the cylinder and a bit of grease to the spring through the cocking slot if you didn't want to completely strip the gun this will make it smoother but mind you don't loose any of the pins from the trigger mechanism when you remove the stock.
     
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