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When new is....

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Bemused, Apr 16, 2014.

  1. Bemused

    Bemused Engaging Member

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    When new is ... er a year old.
    Just received a brand new 3 litre cylinder thats dated 2013/05.
    Ahh well
     
  2. OzzyJ

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    Been is stock a while then:(
     
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  4. Bemused

    Bemused Engaging Member

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    Maybe I read the date wrong but I see 2013/05 on the cyclinder.
    It was purchased from a very respectable RFD with a massive online presence.
    I ordered it yesterday and it came today so that side of the deal was good.
     
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    Send it back uve lost a year and half of test you would be supprised how much this happens
     
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    They probably bought a load of them and haven't sold many,once you have one,you don't tend to get another.

    our local has about 40 or so in stock at any one time.
     
  7. Bemused

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    Well it costs time and money to send it back and I then have to find another one so it will probably stay here but I may send them an email to voice my opinion.
    However I do need to check my facts first as i'm not to sure of all the text on it.
     
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    I see it's value 1/5 less than what you paid for; that's got to be worth a gesture of goodwill on behalf of the supplier?
     
  9. jesim1

    jesim1 Kit bitch to the Stars

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    I've done "a lot" of diving, so bring it along tomorrow and I'll tell you what the markings mean.

    I also got short changed on a carbon fibre one which was 3 years old but complained, to be fair they gave me £20 back as carbon fibre have a finite life, so about right.

    James
     
  10. cloverleaf

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    Just to put this into perspective, most bottles are already 5-6 months old by the time they reach the retailer; so you have to accept some loss..
     
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    If i remember rightly, my bottle was over a year old when i bought it new :eek:.....by the sound of it this is common practice. Its seems a little unfare,but what can you do ?..........buy a pump :D
     
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    SEND IT BACK, you have lost a years safety certification from your 5! You could ask them to pay for a re-cert for you but I doubt if they will........
    That's why I bought mine from a Diving Centre and they certed it from when I bought it by a pre-order.
     
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    Big heavy items to post..... so difficult to easily do anything about!

    I think this is a reasonable thing to contact the seller about though, as a product it is time limited in one sense?
    Imagine if they'd massively overstocked and still had cylinders with just one year left on them? Would anyone be happy paying full price for them?

    If a cylinder is worth say 40% of it's new price when out of test, then you are depreciating at 12% a year. 3lt bottle.... £160, 12%=£19.20 That's half of a retest?
    I guess the thing to do would be to call them and politely explain the situation, see how it goes and say that £20 would make you happy? Or........ maybe suggest a £20 voucher against there products?
     
  14. Ichabod Armacost

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    Ok look, this is just my two pennarth, What you have bought IS a brand new cylinder, in the sense that it hasn't been sold to anyone since arriving at the retailer from the wholesaler or manufacturer. The retest date would still be applicable to the cylinder if had sat on the retailers shelf until a day before the retest date, and it would still be a new cylinder.

    Personally I think that the retest date should be set from the time of purchase by the retail customer, after all the cylinder has not been stressed in anyway until that customer has it filled with air. But that aint the way it is, so I guess if you buy an air cylinder, it is beholden of you to ascertain when the retest date is, before you hand over any money. Either that or shoot springers!!!:D

    I'll get me coat!:yield:
     
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    just received a new guerilla air cylinder (62 ci, 3000psi ) dated 2011....online shop pointed out age in advert and sold for half prize...jolly decent of them. :rolleyes:
     
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    Sounds like you should always get any shop to confirm how long a 'new' cylinder has left in test before buying.
     
  17. Clubshot

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    All Bottle Manufactures - Stamp Bottle with Date of Manufacture - Top of Bottle

    Test Period is Two years from that Date for Din / A Clamp - Five Years Air Gun Valve

    Lot's of Dive Shops have closed in Recent years it seems if some of the Stock is just reaching Market

    As Stated cost is not cheap to ship around - go for a Deal in price of service payments

    Date surprises - Joy of Mail Order purchases -

    BOB/R
     
  18. Bemused

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    I took it along to James today and he confirmed I read the date correctly.
    Additionally he pointed out that its fitted with a dive valve and not a surface valve which may lead to 2 1/2 year servicing.
    On the other hand it was only £126 with valve, fow restricter and fill loop.

    Oh and whilst I was at James I relieved him of his Airwolf in a very sweet deal.
     
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    jesim1 Kit bitch to the Stars

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    Yep

    Both happy with the gun/deal and transaction, win win for both of us, they don't come better than that.

    Thanks Tony

    As for the testing, even the dive shops don't always know there is a difference between surface and in water use valves, but then when you think about it, they are dive shops!

    James
     
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    James,
    If it can be used in Water Din / A Clamp - 2 years

    Air Gun Valves not suitable for in water Use - 5 Years

    Down to Filling Station - As it's there pumping area that could get wrecked - :eek:

    BOB/R
     

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