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What's To Be Said About Pellet Sizers...

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by poisedshot, May 11, 2020.

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  1. poisedshot

    poisedshot Engaging Member

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    ...if head size has nothing to do with an accurate pellet for a given barrel?

    After much convincing about the search for batch type / dies in order to achieve the ultimate in accuracy, what does everyone do with the tins and tins of pellets that don't produce sufficient results?

    i see you can get cnc made pellet sizers that have great tolerances, has anyone tried these with any degree of success when resizing a "bad" pellet?
     
  2. nevadacowboy

    nevadacowboy Big Poster

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    You already have a in built pellet sizer, it's called the breech of your barrel.
     
  3. Scubashot

    Scubashot Busy Member

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    You are unlikely to make a "bad" pellet from a die that doesn't suit your barrel into a "good" pellet just by resizing it as the tin will probably already contain a selection of sizes anyway.

    As nevadacowboy has said, the rifles breech will resize the pellet, in conjunction with a blast of air up the skirt. This is all before it has to get through any choke in the barrel.

    The die number compatibility issues are more to do with the centre of gravity of the pellet than the size of it.
     
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    Jackal Posting Addict

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    Where did you get this info. from? Wouldn't it be quoted as a tolerance for x, y and z axis?
     
  5. TORNADOS7

    TORNADOS7 Top Poster

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    And if that don't do it then the choke ought to... :):up:
     
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    Scubashot Busy Member

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    Several posts on this subject on another forum by people that appeared to have some knowledge of the subject.
    They were discussing the whole die number issue of JSB manufactured pellets and the variation in the diameter of the internal flat area at the base of the skirts.
    It was suggested that there are a variety of types of skirt that can be employed to suit individual die numbered pellets to modify the centre of gravity. Apparently, the die number relates to the head of the pellet not the skirt.
    As JSB seem a little shy of quoting very much concerning the specifications it doesn't surprise me that they don't quote tolerances in the x, y and z axis that very few people would understand and would be unlikely to help in matching a pellet to their gun.
     
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    jesim1 Kit bitch to the Stars

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    I know this will not always be the case, but the last time I sized four different pellets for my gun they all shot worse without exception, so it's very possible to undersize for you gun even though the sizer was 4.52 for .177 pellets.
     
  8. Jackal

    Jackal Posting Addict

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    Thanks, may just keep a few from my tins and compare.
     
  9. Stockscrew

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    Re sizing, weighing and washing all a bit of a waste of time in my book. It's all down to rumours spread around by shooters who cannot accept there is nothing wrong with quality ammo straight out of the tin and have nothing better to do.
     
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    Geezer Big Poster

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    As someone once said “an answer to a question that nobody asked”.
     
  11. pjgtech

    pjgtech Gercha...!!!

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    1, Do you have a Life? If Yes, see 6. - If No, see 4 & 5.
    2. Are you an Olympic standard (or similar) target shooter? If Yes, see 4 & 5. - If No, see 6.
    3. Are you OCD? if Yes, see 4 & 5. - If No, see 6.

    4, You DO need a pellet sizer.
    5. You should also waste loads of time weighing and washing pellets.
    6. You do NOT need a pellet sizer.
    :)
     
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    TORNADOS7 Top Poster

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    Care to explain buddy ?... :shrug:
     
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    A pellet sizer will only resize the skirt, in the same way a barrel choke will do ..... The pellet head, weight and mass will still be the same tho. Better off buying pellets from the same die (that is proven best for your barrel) as this will ensure minimal discrepency between pellet head size, weight and mass.
     
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  14. Wofty

    Wofty 'This is the way'

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    I don't. I really don't have the time and am not at the place I want to be yet.
    However plenty of serious benchresters do and improve their scores.
    When the game is not attaining 250 but increasing your 'X' count then every little helps.
     
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    jesim1 Kit bitch to the Stars

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    So the fact that every top competition shooter does this to one extent or another means that the best of the best are doing it all wrong :facepalm:

    I've done a lot of this in the past, and although sizing and washing made no improvements I found weighted pellets substantially remove fliers from a BR score card, but when I say flyer - it's about 4 or 5mm, so in "normal" use on a range or hunting you would not see the difference, but it does not mean it's not there if you look at it empirically and measure your results :thumb:
     
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    Is this just a throwback from the 70's/80's when pellet quality was nowhere near as good as that of today's pellets ?...

    Serious question, just wondering... :thumb:
     
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    jesim1 Kit bitch to the Stars

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    I believe @Airwolf1 had it right with the diameter of the wire used to make the pellets is what it refers to on the tin, but that does not translate effectively into the pellet head size. So I don't think this is a throwback to the 80s, I just think manufacturers give more choice so we all buy more to try and ultimately they sell more pellets. But it still remains a fact that due to tiny variances in every barrel and pellet that you can never have too many options to find the right one to go with your gun - for today at least :eek:
     
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    They won't make a .177 pellet fit a .22 barrel. :rolleyes:
     
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    Every rifle I have is shot with as many different pellets as necessary to find the pellet that gives optimum accuracy. The sample pellets are unadulterated and straight out of the tin and could be any one out of around 30 different types. Each barrel usually shoots best with one particular pellet sometimes more due to the number of identical but re badged offerings available. I have purchased and used the very best premium selected match pellets from several manufacturers and still have had the odd flyer in a group. If this occurs with the very best pellet money can buy I see absolutely no advantage in washing, weighing or sizing those that come packed in a tin because they will never be as good as the selected match variety that have had the three treatments and still have a tendency to produce the odd flyer.
     
  20. jesim1

    jesim1 Kit bitch to the Stars

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    I'm sorry, but I don't understand your logic :oops:

    How can you possible say this:

    And then retort with this:

    If your using "selected match variety that have had the three treatments" then your contradicting your first post as your saying they are better than standard pellets :oops:

    And if you don't want to do any pellet prep because the small difference it makes is negligible to your shooting then why are you buying "selected match variety that have had the three treatments" in the first place :facepalm:

    ;)

    James
     

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