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What To Expect From A Springer

Discussion in 'Technical' started by RichardAllen, Nov 17, 2019.

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  1. RichardAllen

    RichardAllen Newbie

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    I have shot a .177 PCP Air Arms S410, for years. Today I set up a small 10m range with a young lad setting out. We could both put 3 through the same hole repeatedly with my S410.
    However we were both all over the place with his .22 springer (cushioned rest, well formed pellets chosen, secure scope etc), average 3 pellet spread was about 20mm, sometimes 30mm.
    Is this poor technique, a bad rifle or something I am missing? If it’s a bad rifle can it be fixed, or we just need a better one?
    All advice gratefully received
    Richard
     
  2. the logun-ator

    the logun-ator "can i,? wey aye man!"

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    really depends on the twanger?.
    make/model/pellets etc
    but shooting a springer requires a different handling technique than a pcp
    youll prob find after a few shots/half an hour your groups will shrink,it takes me a few shots to get back in to the 'twang' of things :)
     
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  3. Ashley keylock

    Ashley keylock Ashley keylock

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    Hi Richard, I would of thought you should expect the rifle to shoot better than that especially at 10m, so either poor technique or something not quite right with gun.
    I’m sure someone will be along shortly to help more than I have.
    ATB, Ashley
     
  4. Rattymcrattyface

    Rattymcrattyface Ok boomer

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    Is it a decent springer Richard? Technique is a great percentage with springers along with tidy engineering of course.
    Breathing, hold all the good stuff. Love my springers for this reason.
    Pcps not so much...an ape can bullseye one of those:D:thumb:
     
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    binxkeys Engaging Member

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    What gun? Might be an SMK B2, in which case, bravo!
     
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  6. RichardAllen

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    Its an Edgar Brothers, Model 60, I think
     
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    Rattymcrattyface Ok boomer

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    Luckily xmas is coming then:D
     
  8. RichardAllen

    RichardAllen Newbie

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    Is this a gun to replace then ?
     
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    jesim1 Kit bitch to the Stars

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    Yes - but at what cost?

    For 10m plinking your looking at a cheap gun, and these are cheap, it just depends on your budget, but you can pick up cheapies for £50 that will be better than that, which is less than the price of a decent scope! Realisticaly something like an SMK package second hand will only be £75/85 and a far better bet than this - the more you pay the better you get.
     
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    rich79 Lovin the smell of cordite in the morning

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    It's all about consistent hold, I put my thumb & forefinger in the forward stock screw holes when I'm shooting & there they stay for every shot.
    Shooting someone else's springer is difficult if they've set it up for themselves as you don't hold it the same way & with the same tension.
    Only when you've got this right can you eliminate naff pellets or the rifle itself.
    My mate used to moan like f about his 95, I used it and although it was shooting off zero it was consistently putting the pellet in a nice group, the answer? He just couldn't shoot for s**t, so he bought a pcp.
     
  11. Ashley keylock

    Ashley keylock Ashley keylock

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    The above post made me laugh
    not far from the truth for most I think
    PCPs have made it a lot easier than it was when most on here were kids.
     
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    I shot a better HFT score with my HW95 yesterday than I did with my Daystate Huntsman the week before. Conditions were a bit more favourable for the springer yesterday and I'm getting steadily better.
     
  13. Roger Wilkes

    Roger Wilkes Roger

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    As above,but look up YouTube and archive on this forum on how to ARTILLERY HOLD- a springer
     
  14. RichardAllen

    RichardAllen Newbie

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    Many thanks Roger. I found sone articles an videos on this. Clearly my terrible springer shooting is due at least in part to appalling technique. No wonder I found my PCP easy
     
  15. Roger Wilkes

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    Seems if you can "palm" only under the stock and hold the stock " gently" to your shoulder but also use just the tip/1st joint of your finger to pull the trigger.
    Also ensure the gun is really upright.
    See how the gun then shoots- try and work out what is causing what.
    My HW95 seems to work best with me holding the very front of the stock with a single finger in the scissor f the stock.
    See what results you get holding the stock in different places.
    What you do not do is rest the gun on its own it will kick/ shoot inconsistently.

    Your other variable will be pellets and maybe things like the gun needs sripping/ polishing /conservative re- greasing- this is time/ learning/ experience and may not cost money at least untill you can say the gun is at fault.
    Practise will hopefully show the way forward- keep/ record you results to show progress/ changes
     
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    I have been using the Hatsan/Edgar Bros Mod60S for about 3-4 weeks, (£50,from friend) with either RWS Superdomes or Crosman Premier Ultra Magnums, and getting 1 inch groups at 20 + yards without trouble (up to about 30,sat down, left arm resting on crossed leg, cheap n cheerful 3x9x56 scope).
    In fact, the only thing I don't like is the spring twang, but I think I want a Welsh Willy kit for Xmas...

    Maybe a problem with the gun?.
     
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  17. jesim1

    jesim1 Kit bitch to the Stars

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    Not so much a problem as you get what you pay for :rolleyes:

    I'd say with that combo and a reasonable shooter then this is fine, but with practise and a session of pellet testing you could reduce it, but you still have to have a level of expectation in a price range, although I agree it gets to a price point when they should all perform well, but certainly at the lower end they don't have premium barrels and the tolerances that good accuracy demands.

    So stick at it and enjoy your gun, practice, and upgrade only if you feel it's holding you back performance wise or you just want to for the hell of it.

    James
     
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    Agree, was not expecting to hit the proverbial 'barn door' after a 30 year break,was quite shocked that I managed to hit anything, but after a good clean an lube, £40 scope, I am doing far beyond any of my expectations of myself!. All in all, so far, £90 for gun and scope,Welsh Willy kit for xmas £60,so all in all, a modded mod60 for £150.not too bad me thinks!.
     
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    jesim1 Kit bitch to the Stars

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    I've always maintained it's about "how it makes you feel" rather than how much you spend, yes, it's nice to have nice things, but it's better to use a gun you can afford than worry about one you can't :thumb:

    James
     
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  20. Roger Wilkes

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    Wth pellets maybe someone has found "good" pellets for the Edgar Bros.
    Might be worth asking.
    Even do another question SPECIFICALLY for your gun / gun family,or look up on this forum history hughtube etc
     

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