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Advice What Pistol do I choose guide?

Discussion in 'Air Pistols' started by Titchgamer, Mar 6, 2011.

  1. mike1066

    mike1066 Well-Known Member

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    Hi, I am new here.

    Re rats or squirrels, I have not had reason to shoot one yet, but for 5-10 metres shooting distance my .22 Crosman 2240 single-shot CO2 pistol, in the first 20 shots from a new CO2 cartridge, seems to have good rat/squirrel power, and the laser pointer I have taped to it enables me to shoot sitting comfortably with the pistol well supported on my lap - so that the infernal 9 lb trigger pull does not prevent me from shooting small groups. In fact my son who has hardly done any shooting can do this too, with the laser.

    My Chrony F1 Chronograph says it does around 400 fps. That's a bit better than my pre-WW2 .22 Webley Service Mk 2 springer air rifle.

    What do you think, should I be looking at a pneumatic or PCP, or is the 400 fps close to the legal limit for UK airguns anyway?

    In a lower power bracket, just for fun, for plinking and casual target practice, I am wondering about getting a repeating CO2 pellet pistol, which restricts me to .177 calibre, I am guessing? A friend has the Gamo P-25, and at the higher price end, the Umarex Colt 1911 sounds enjoyable. I looked at an Umarex P-08 Luger, very attractive, but BB guns are probably too inaccurate for me.

    Any suggestions would be very welcome.

    [My favourite gun used to be a Lyman replica .44 Remington 1858 Army cap-and-ball revolver, but I have finished with Firearms Certificates.]

    Regards,
    Mike
     
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    monsta41 Donator

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    pistols should not be used for hunting
     
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  3. Titchgamer

    Titchgamer Super Moderator Staff Member Mod/Admin

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    You can hunt with a pistol if you are good enough.
    Very restricted though.

    But to answer your question the FPS value by itself is meaningless.
    You also need to know the weight of your pellets to determine the FPE (power of your gun).

    The limit for pistols in the UK is 6FPE. 12 for rifles.

    To do close range rat bashing you want over 5 and to be a good shot. Lasers taped to the barrel aint going to give you that accuracy.
     
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  4. mike1066

    mike1066 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the replies.

    My post was badly constructed, I should have separated the Rats and Squirrels theme from the Fun Plinking theme, in 2 separate threads and in 2 separate forums. They don't mix well.

    I'll calculate the power from the pellet weight.

    Incidentally the laser pointer taped to the barrel may not look "Cool", but it works perfectly, as well as any laser sight, certainly at 5 metres, which is really the distance that I would plan to achieve. It enables me to shoot from lap level, requiring no body movement and eliminating hand-shake and eye-and-iron-sights vagaries.

    Mike
     
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  5. Jay Butts

    Jay Butts Quick, put it back before anybody notices!

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    AF1D5DB4-878F-4BB6-B492-098B71BDD267.jpeg Mike, please take a look at the Zasdar PP700sa. It’s a pcp made by Snow Peak in China but DO NOT LET THAT PUT YOU OFF! These pistols are brilliant, especially when fitted with a stock, rifle scope and silencer as mine is. I can also tell you that at 5.7ftlb it despatches rats with ease! Clean shot into the centre of the head (emphasis on CLEAN) and this is as much power as you need under 10mtrs. Remember that the legal limit in Germany for a rifle is only 7.5kj which is around 6ftlb. People are too quick to say they are not powerful enough but believe me they are. Hey, I have rifles too that do an easier job but do not underestimate 6ftlb. Google it, read the reviews. Good luck! Just about see it in this pic!
     
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    mike1066 Well-Known Member

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    PS - the force calculation for my Crosman 2240 based on the 400 fps and the .22 pellet weight is 5.15 foot/pounds.
    And I am only talking about 5-10 metres shooting distance, and preferably 5 metres.
     
  8. mike1066

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    Thank you Jay, and please see my PS above. Combined with my DIY laser sight, this 5.15 foot/pounds is adequate for this limited short distance purpose.

    I'll study your comments on the Zasdar pistol later this evening, it sounds very interesting. I like having things that few other people have heard of, anyway, so "Zasdar" is appealing.

    Regards,
    Mike
     
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  9. mike1066

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    Jay, thanks for your suggestion, I have now read about the Zasdar and it is clearly exceptional, but it is "too good" for my modest ambitions.

    In fact I hope that I do not have to kill a rat or a squirrel - I usually trap squirrels if they become a real pest, as it usually means that there is a squirrel's nest nearby, so the whole family become our guests. Fortunately they like peanuts and going into "tunnels", and that is their undoing.

    The Crosman 2240 is called "the Ratbuster" by my local gun store - I did not mention that above because promotion and truth are different things. But the 2240's mission is to provide relatively high power in a cheap 'n cheery way, and it does that very well.

    They say that more CO2 power is released when the pistol is warm, so it could even be on a hot water bottle, which would warm my knees too. Not quite the image of the macho hunter.

    I am more likely to buy a fun CO2 plinker at the moment, BB or pellet, anything between a Gamo P-25 and an Umarex Colt 1911. Even the cheaper ones look fun.

    Mike
     
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    Mike, you’re very welcome mate. Just for your info, and in case you change your mind, NP Products in Sheffield do the Zasdar for £170.

    Happy searching, really hope you find what you’re looking for...

    John.
     
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    Jay Butts Quick, put it back before anybody notices!

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    Btw Mike, take a little look at the Sig Sauer Max Michel 1911. Got one of those too...., blinding little pistol! Great for plinking and highly recommended mate.
     
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  12. mike1066

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    Sorry John, I missed your 2 further replies.

    I bought a Umarex TDP-45 non-blowback, double action only, 19-shot Co2 pistol, ball bearing ammo.

    I like it a lot - around 400 fps, good accuracy and around 120 shots per Co2 capsule. Very small, light and handy.

    If I upgrade at all, it may be to the smallest and lightest similar, but single-&-double action, non-blowback gun that I can find. This would give me the option of the lighter single action trigger pull.

    Thanks for your suggestions, I'll look at the Sig Sauer Max Michel 1911.

    Mike
     
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    Jay Butts Quick, put it back before anybody notices!

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    Hey Mike, no probs...

    That TDP doing 120 shots per fill is amazing, that’s the problem with the blowback types, they do use a lot of gas. My Max Michel gets about 65 but does feel great when using it.

    Just happy you’re sorted, and happy C02 rapidfire plinking! :thumb:

    Just found the price!!!!! Bargain, I’m getting one!
     
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    I did not believe the claims about the TDP-45's Co2 usage and I decided to test it myself. On my first Co2 capsule I messed up on loading and leaked a lot of gas. On the second one I forgot to count properly. On the third one I counted how many full mags I shot and it was 20 per mag to include the last shot when there was no no ball bearing. 6 mags shot fine and the fast power fall-off came in the 7th mag, so the 6 good mags made 120 shots.

    I am guessing that the Crosman Phantom P10 black and Wildcat P10PNK pink come off the same Taiwan production line, the specs and barrel length are identical, so if you want a pink pistol, that might be another option. . . :)

    I look forward to hearing how you get on. I like the handiness of the TDP-45 - getting a 4.25" barrel into so small a gun is a clever trick!

    I like the fact that the Max Michel 1911 is single action only, and 65 shots with blowback is OK.

    Mike
     
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    Unbelievable shot count!

    I get my CO2 bulbs from NM Products in Sheffield and I get 25 for £7..... that’s a lot of shots for very little cost Mike.

    The MM is awesome and extremely accurate for what it is, see if you can get your hand on one or if you’re ever near Sheffield let me know and we can meet up at one of my local ranges for a play.
     
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    Having recently turned my attention to the possible ownership of an air pistol for back garden plinking and very 'very' close range ratting, I found this thread to be most helpful and informative. Many thanks to all who freely contributed input and advice.

    Chris :thumb:
     
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    Jay Butts Quick, put it back before anybody notices!

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    Hey Chris, just before you make a final choice, take a look at the PP700SA! Absolutely brilliant with a generous shot count. I have the additional stock, scope and moderator on mine. I apologise if this has already been mentioned as I haven’t looked back at the posts but I’ve shot close range rats with mine and it puts them away with ease!

    Whatever you choose, happy shooting mate! :thumb:

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    Mike?????
     
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    Edited, sorry Chris, don’t know where I got Mike from! :facepalm::thumb::)
     
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    No problems m8, you just had me worried for a moment; I have a doppelganger in town and my own brother mistook him for me when he saw him with an other woman and he ignored bro and just walked past. Also; I was rummaging around a charity shop in town when a small child came dashing up, grabbed my hand, and shouted daddy, daddy, come on mummy is over here. An older woman offered here apologies and said that the child had mistaken me for someone else. I was so taken aback that I neglected to ask who the child had mistaken me for! :rolleyes:

    Spooky, or what? The likeness must be pretty good for my own brother and the guy's child to have mistaken one of us for the other. I just hope that he aint a crim! :eek:
     
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