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what pcp to get

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by helicopter tail, Jan 3, 2014.

  1. helicopter tail

    helicopter tail Active Member

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    hi all, what would be the best pcp to buy for £500 ish? and what is the best way and most cost effective way to charge them? are the hand pumps very reliable?
     
  2. gasman

    gasman Up a bit,,,,,,,

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    s400/410 and bottle :up:
     
  3. Alexdermietzel

    Alexdermietzel Keyboard Hero

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    I would recommend an Air arms s400 (carbine or rifle). Filling with a pump wouldn't be too hard (depends on how much you would be shooting). However, I would recommend that you get a bottle instead. Once purchased they are pretty cheap to run, refills should cost under £5 (regardless of bottle capacity). A 3 litre 300 bar bottle and hose should cost around £150 and will save you a lot of effort. You can get bigger bottles (6l,12l etc.), but a 3 litre will give you plenty of refills.

    Have fun,

    Alex
     
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    Alexdermietzel Keyboard Hero

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    Have you considered the second hand option, theres usually a few good deals out there and you might even get the bottle thrown in awsell.
     
  6. Count Jedi

    Count Jedi Donator

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    Some good S400/410 on *** star, new and 2nd hand
     
  7. helicopter tail

    helicopter tail Active Member

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    yes was looking at bsa r10 's, are they a good gun ?
     
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    Never shot one but read/heard good things about them. Nice shot count once full if you don't go down the bottle fill route.
     
  9. Count Jedi

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    I'm no expert but if the chaps on the forum recommend the S400/410 then these are the ones I would try before looking any further.
     
  10. helicopter tail

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    what would be best with a pcp 177 or 22 would be mainly rabbits and pigeons and maybe the odd roland , got a 22 springer but find the recoil is causing a bit of trouble with accuracy.
     
  11. vitalich

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    Daystate mk3.
     
  12. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    New you are looking at a Hatsan AT44, nice gun, comes with 2 magazines, has a barrel screw cut for silencer, nice 2 stage trigger and has iron sights (well fibre optic) so you can use it straight from the box! Either .177 or .22 will kill vermin!

    Secondhand, the BSA R10 has had a long list of problems, so just make sure it is working properly before you hand over your cash. There are other delights to tempt you though.

    BSA Super 10, the fore runner to the R10 and much beloved, heavy, but great shotcount, also nice side bolt action.

    Daystate Harrier or X2, superbly engineered, good shot count, reliable.

    Air Arms S300/400/500 series, people do rave about them, never owned one, never will!

    Air Arms S200. Overgrown pistol (oh yes it is) with a propensity for leaking and magazine problems (yes it does happen but they have a loyal fan club who will swear black is white that no such thing happens). The wife has owned 3, the first had problems with the magazine system which was eventually replaced with a new unit, the second leaked from a tiny O ring and Air Arms wanted over £50 to sort it then refused to sell a gunsmith the tools to sort it, the third she had no problems with but it was bought brand new, she sold it when her mother became seriously ill with cancer and she had to look after her. They are compact, light, but with a low shot count.

    BSA Ultra, can you do the hokey cokey? The loading on that is a mare, press side switch probe is released, now you have to catch the probe tip with your thumb or 1) it makes a loud clack and scares everything in a couple of hundred feet into hiding or 2) the probe breaks! Press probe back in and then use MMC which never takes as little movement as the BSA video claims! If you are using a single shot you do have to load a pellet as well! The Utra is a great little gun with a lousy loading and cocking system. I had a new one for three weeks and loved it so much we sold it back to the RFD and bought a used Super 10 instead. It is great for stalking and vehicle work, it is accurate, also has a low shot count.
     
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  13. mattyts

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    The new BSA Ultra has got ridden of the problems Mole mentions,its now just a standard bolt action like the R10 and S400

    I would consider either the S400 or the BSA Ultra in .177,both give good shot counts although the S400 will give more but is also dearer from the start.
     
  14. secretagentmole

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    A couple to avoid are the Gunpower Stealth and Theoben Rapid. These guns are so easily tinkered with that everyman and his dog will have had a go at "tuning" it. This means that the gun you buy could easily be illegal for you to own unless you have a fire arms certificate, which I am guessing you will not have. Either that or it simply wont work at all.

    Both are easily remedied by gunsmiths, just a lot of hassle and possibly expense!
     
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    And try not to end up with a 3 litre bottle or you will be forever filling it, unless to plan to carry it round with you get the biggest 300bar bottle you can afford, IMHO of course.

    ATB Paul
     
  16. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    Not quite, if he does go for an S200 or mark 1 Ultra, sweet spots tend to be in the 170-180 bar area, so a 3 litre will see him with a good number of fills. If going for a larger capacity rifle such as Super 10, R10, Rapid, etc then a 7 litre 300 bar is really the minimum size to go for!
     
  17. Hunter 001

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    Another vote for S410. I made a mistake by selling mine.
     
  18. Fisherboy

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    AA410 or BSA R10, both good guns. AA just pips the BSA in my book.
     
  19. cornishcreek

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    Theoben Rapids are fine and robust but find an unmolested one as secretagentmole said beware of home tuners. They are very easy to self maintain/service.
     
  20. Andy_J

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    You won't go wrong with an Air Arms S400. Superbly reliable, can be used for hunting and HFT. .177 cal is the best. And the s400 is damn fine looking rifle. None of that ugly big bottle malarky under the barrel, just right.

    ;)
     

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