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What Do Class As A Vintage PCP

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Elk hunter, Jan 28, 2014.

  1. Elk hunter

    Elk hunter Keyboard Hero

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    I'm getting all nostalgic as I get older and wish to get hold of a Titan Bearcat. This was the first PCP air rifle I owned. It was in loughborough gun shop, I'd drooled over it for weeks. I remember bringing it home on my 50cc trail bike along with a 12ltr bottle, interesting ride from memory.

    So what you class as vintage in PCP air rifles.

    Andrew
     
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    [​IMG] I'm loving my new (to me) NJR 100 :cool:
     
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    The above is about right but I would also say Daystate LR90 early Rippers, Falcon/Titan FNs, early Webley Axsors.

    Still rate the Axsor as good as anything around as it was one of the first to have a large aluminium cylinder, and the ones Ive owned were tack drivers.

    Anything with heavy steel cylinder is vintage to me.
     
  4. cloverleaf

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    Looking good - glad you're pleased with it :)

    I find the NJR is almost the epitome of the-rifle-in-the-mags-that-you-couldn't-possibly-afford-as-a-yoof.. now technically dated but still a very capable rifle. To me a nice NJR or GC2 is the quintessential classic FT rifle.

    Others of note IMO are the Daystate Huntsman Mk1 and Mk2, Daystate 2000, Air Arms Shamal and 100 Series, the early Ripley AR series, Titans..

    It will be interesting to see how prices go in the coming years - old PCPs seem to be worth very little ATM; unless they're very early, special or top-end.


    Here's my NJR (apologies for the non-period 'scope :p):

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  5. Elk hunter

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    They are both stunning.
    I hope more people post there classics, as I can see just in theses two rifles, build quality was a priority.

    Andrew
     
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    Thanks and yes - it's always good to see more quality old metal!

    Mustn't forget the venerable Rapid 7 while we're at it :)
     
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    My Titan Manitou.
     
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    my old mk1 midas .22 all brass tube with fold down rear sight ,also stock with cast off making it very comfortable and pointable to shoot ,
     

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  9. Accuspell

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    The thing with old PCPs, as they stood, they were pretty inefficient. The modern oldies anyway. What is the quintessential 'vintage' PCP? The Girandoni, of course. It was miles ahead of its time, with a rapid rate of fire (was it 10 shots in the tubular magazine, I can't remember, it may have been more) for the simple underlever type cocking stroke and it could fire a .50 ball 80 yards accurately, which was further than the muskets of the same era - so while your musket man was powdering his barrel, and ramming his wad, your Girandoni equipped soldier could shoot at least 10 rounds off pretty accurately. It would need ranks of rifles to keep the fire up, because the airgun soldier then had to retire to pump his cast iron stock reservoir up again (1500 strokes of the pump) - if you were outnumbered even 5:1, the Girandoni men had the edge, because it was like having 5x as many men, possibly more.

    When you think of modern PCPs and their efficiency, as the designers/makers understand the pneumatics involved have become very much more efficient. So, looking at the Shamal, with its 50 good shots from the fill, and the clunky loading mechanism, the similar era Daystate Sportsman or Huntsman - both very similar, with swan neck bolts only available later, the proper bolt end is a gnurled knob! It shows how very much further advanced the Rapid was, in terms of efficiency of air and the clever magazine (which are still working fine now, 25 years later!!) Even the Rapid benefitted from a few tweeks and with the quick fill/guage arrangement fitted (which Theoben could have done themselves) it is every bit as good as a modern PCP. In fact I would venture that a well sorted Rapid, with modern knowledge fitted inside, which many have got (mine included) are as efficient as many regulated rifles - at FAC levels the Rapid exhibits virtually no power curve across the fill, 20ft-lbs in .20 gives 70 shots from 400cc at 180bar - 110bar, 26ft-lbs in .22 and you get 60 shots with only 5 or 6 FPS spread, without a regulator - you would need to go a long way to better it.

    They were quite pretty too

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  10. 1961nuffield

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    I have a Titan and an LR90, I consider them both to be classics, but also how about a nice S16 :D

    John
     
  11. secretagentmole

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    Er, heck, BSA Super Meteor mark 4, HW90 (from the 90s), HW77 (same vintage), Theoben Sirocco deluxe (1986). Couple of vintage Crosman pistols with the rotary breech and a Daisy Powerline 747. There is also the wife's Airmatch SSP pistol....
     
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    Just PCP's SAM :D

    John
     
  13. Accuspell

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    Exam technique......READ THE QUESTION!
     
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    Cracking post!
     
  15. gasman

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    moley your wrong,,,,,,,,,,,,,


    ,,,there not pcp's :p
     
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    I'd certainly agree on the first two - "a nice S16" is surely an oxymoron though - a bit like saying "a pleasant kick in the knackers" :p


    I do have a massive soft spot for decent '80/s early '90s PCPs and have often wondered about the feasibility of some "classic" FT shoots with restrictions on the age of the gear - say all guns had to have begun production pre-'94 for example. I doubt there would be enough interest amongst those with such guns to make it viable, though.


    Anyway, let's see some more pics!
     
  17. Accuspell

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    Someone told me they are doing this already, but with 'springers' and scopes of the era - you are only allowed a duplex reticule too! Running on the HFT courses. I THINK they said it was called classic sporting, or something like that. I have thought about trying it with my SLR and WTC, but I tend to work most weekends.
     
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    Not as old as some, but I love my early Falcon hawke. The later ones only had the single stage loading and cocking action.
     
  19. secretagentmole

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    Damn missed the last line in that!:doh::doh::doh:

    Webley Venom Sidewinder then?
     
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    hello, anything older than me:D
     

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