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What Clay Gun £5k Budget

Discussion in 'Shotguns (SGC)' started by Petay, Oct 15, 2020.

  1. Figgy

    Figgy Big Poster

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    @110 sam, in what way does it knock spots off your Beretta ? I'm honestly interested as they compete in the same market sector along with Browning. All of them are much of a muchness. Same same but different :D.
    Know two friends who have had f16, one got rid after many problems, it was an early gun, the other lad had problems with the finishes used, something to do with Blaser adopting a more eco way if doing it. the first went for a completely different gun, the second stayed with Blaser but went for a used F3 Pro which he shoots very well with and I think looks much nicer. I did shoot both and loved the looks, and handling what I didn't like was the recoil I felt from the guns. Found it disappointing as I fancied one for game with nice wood. Blaser do roll out upgrades as they go and may have sorted any issues early guns suffered. Some of the wood on them is nice, similar to Ceasar Guerini another in the same market.
     
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    In the way the gun mounts , the way it swings and handles fits me better straight out of the box , feels less bulky than the Beretta and suits me better ( had stock shortened by Gunmark ) , I’m honestly now hitting more birds than ever before and haven’t been beaten by anyone in my group of friends since I got it ,I tried a 525 hated it sold it tried an ATA couldn’t get on with it a lot of guns are competing in the same market from lower end guns to high end ,it’s just finding one that fits the bill and the Blaser does it for me, Beretta 686 evo e anyone ?
     
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    That's how you want a new gun to feel and help you perform.
     
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    It certainly does from time to time I think I’ll take the beretta today , I pick it up and put it back down and reach for the blaser
     
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    Best to move the Beretta on to a new home. Saves you changing if you have a bad day or bad spell. It's never the gun but it's usually the first thing blamed and changed
     
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    It’ll be going next year
     
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    Beretta SO3/4/5
    Perazzi mx2003/2000
    K80 (didn't like)
     
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    I think it comes down to fit and feel and balance as to how well you shoot it. We get used to things and they feel just right. If they don't at the start very rarely will you get that feeling no matter how much you shoot it.
    As much as I liked the MX2000s it just didn't handle well enough for me when fired.
    The SO Beretta's are very nice and can't really be classed as a 5k gun,. The SO3 and 4 wouldn't hold up to the punishment of modern clay shooting too delicate.
    . I wanted a SO5 sporter, I still think it's one of the nicest looking guns you can buy, the coin finished action is lovely elegant design. A top UK clay shot messaged me about the guns at he time and told me I'd shoot it out in no time. They used to be the Italian Olympic team guns, then they were changed to DT10 range as more built to last. I trusted his advice as a friend knew him quite well , I looked into it a bit more and he was right. Very rare to see one on the clay circuit now. Blaser and Kreighoff seem to be popular choice in trend at the moment.
     
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    Will the difference between a £2k gun and a £5k be purely down to wood and engraving? Is there any real improvement in materials/engineering at that price range?

    Just askin' like...

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    Only you can answer that after reading vast amounts of reviews and input from manufacturers and other users, and of course seeing if the gun actually fits you, which is of course the most important.
    But then again what are you really looking for, a gun you can use for the discipline your engaging in or to impress your mates, which is what wood and engraving do, well maybe.
     
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    Yes there can be a vast difference or none at all.
    This is dependent on make and model.
    Beretta silver pigeon grade 1 start around 12_1300 new, the jubilee and EELL are high grade versions of the same action, better wood better engraving also pass through the so shop for a bit of hand finishing. Are they worth that much more, to me no.
    Blaser the F16 is the base gun, the vantage and the f3 pro are the higher end guns. Yes they're worth it, different action and barrels different stocks. The F16 is built down to a price so lacks parts the higher end Blasers have.
    Can you tell the difference when shooting, only you can decide.
    The Browning range are like the Beretta same action just better wood and engraving until you get to the specials like the X's pro clay gun or crown game gun, these both differ from the standard 525 & 725 action guns in that they have been balanced and barrelled different.
    Lots of guns are like cars, you take a run of the mill ford Mondeo base car and then the top of the range Mondeo, same car but different specs and prices. This is like Beretta and browning standard ranges of guns. Blaser are more like the F16 being a seat cupra and the F3pro and Vantage being a Audi S5, they come from the same company but different models and the more expensive one has more in it.
    Hope this isn't confusing as it can be hard to explain and quantify.
     
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    The engraving on a £2k or £3K gun will generally be rolled on and not hand cut. The £5K gun may have the rolled-on engraving, hand finished but that's about all.
    The cost of the mechanical engineering that goes into making a shotgun is probably the same be it a £5K gun or a £55K one, what puts the cost up is the amount of hand fitting carried out, the cost of the stock wood and the engraving. I have known engraved guns where the engraving cost around £70K, add to that the manufacturers mark up and that is why they can cost so much. Rashid el Hadi engraved a Westly Richards shotgun called the Humming Bird gun, it can be seen on WR Explora in the engraving section. It consisted of hummingbirds and foliage inlaid in gold, there were 5 colours of gold all inlaid on top of each other to achieve the detail, months and months of work someone had to pay for. My son is a gun engraver and a gun with game scenes on the lockplates/action plus the scroll engraving and any precious metal inlay can take him over a year to complete working at it full time.
    So if you think £3k to 5K may be a lot to pay for a gun you will get a gun that shoots as well as a £70k one but does not look so nice.
     
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    I think as soon as you get to 5k you've hit the mark as far as mass manufacturing and materials. It's only two tubes of steel and a action with few moving parts. After this price your paying for engraving wood and hand finishing also massive mark ups.
     
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    Speaking to an rfd today he said that Beretta are bringing out a new 69* to replace the 692, he was going to order a couple of 692's & the rep said hold your horses, he wasn't sure if its a complete replacement 692 or a new model & the 692 being discontinued!
     
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    In my first few years of shooting I bought at least a dozen guns I ended up with a used Perazzi MX8 circa 1999, had it maybe 7 years, I often have a swap with other people guns, not shot one that feels better... For me
    I've looked at the blaser vantage as it's a mid height rib, when C-19 is over I will try one.
     
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    DT10s are an absolute steal at the minute. Look for an earlier one with the Beretta branding on the action sides written in lowercase they are much better made with nicer triggers.

    Mine has shot tens of thousands of cartridges and many competitions and never failed me, the patterns are superb and it handles like nothing else.
     
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    A5751F20-D788-45AD-960B-8C5DE198141E.jpeg DT10’s do look a decent shout at the moment.

    I shot berettas for a few years, and was very happy with a 692 for a while and then swapped for an Invictus Supersport (fixed choke) Sporter in 32”. It was a beautiful gun to shoot with incredible balance with no multi chokes at the end.

    However it was 3/4 and Full and the tightness just played with my head too much, so when the 694 came out I swapped it.

    Very happy with the 694, and having briefly had a 690 a few years back I don’t think you’ll find it the same.

    if I could wave a magic wand, or turn the clock back, I’d have kept the fixed choke Invictus and had thin wall Teagues fitted to give me the flexibility and retain the balance.

    Enjoy the process
     
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    Nice stock! Dipped or real wood?
     
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    Thanks, it’s real....no dipped or ‘xtra grain’ on the 694 series
     
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    Lovely stock on that !
     
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