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Were Early Hw100 Pigs?

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Lev Levvin, Dec 3, 2019.

  1. Vangard

    Vangard Busy Member

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    I have owned 3 of them.
    The first one was a full size thumbhole in .177 it was very accurate and I wish I never sold it .
    I now have 2 of them one is a .22 tk and the other is a .177 laminate tk .
    The .177 I found hard to get used to because it just didn't fit right .
    I have changed the adjustable butt pad for a standard one and it is now as good as the .22.
    They are a great gun IMO and I have owned a lot of guns in the past to compare them to .
    My only problem now is they sit in the gun cabinet because I have found a love for springers .
     
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  2. Reevo17

    Reevo17 Pro Poster

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    When a springer is as accurate without the faff of a bottle and gear you soon find yourself just grabbing a tin of pellets and the springer for a session
     
  3. Jay Butts

    Jay Butts Life, it’s so much better than the alternative!

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    I owned an HW100S about 8 or 9 yrs ago. I hated the ‘plank-with-a-hole-in-it’ thumbhole offering and went for the full length sporter and, unlike the guns I own now, it was a .22.

    Make no mistake, this gun was amongst the most accurate rifles I’ve ever owned. The finish on the wood and metalwork was sublime. Topped with an MTC Viper, it never leaked, jammed, hiccuped in any way and was just a joy to shoot and own.

    I lost my permission and getting rid of it is amongst the biggest mistakes I’ve ever made.

    Reading these posts about it is like I’m reading about another gun....do Weihrauch actually have ‘Friday afternoon manufacturing’?

    Whilst they may be disliked by some, I reckon a modern Weihrauch will out live 90% of other guns, and that includes my Daystates!
     
  4. The burpster

    The burpster Posting Addict

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    I firmly believe you will not find any mass produced piece of engineering will have 100% success rate 100% of the time. The reason you hear of so many failures is quite simple that they have sold hundreds of thousands of them. The AK47/74 is not 100% reliable 100% of the time but there are literally millions of them world wide, if one breaks you throw it away and pick up another. I could go on with other make and models of other articles but you get my gist.
    There have been 2 seminal PCP air rifles, the Rapid and the HW100. The Rapid went the way of a good number of successful Small British businesses but essentially it is still around albeit made in the US with a HUGE price tag. The 100 has quietly got on with its business in the background since its release and whilst it has had detail changes it is largely remained unchanged, it WAS that good when it was released over 15years ago.

    So to answer your question Lev, if you didn’t like it then (and you make no bones about how attractive you need to find your guns per se) then you won’t like it now. If you get a good one it will be the rifle you compare every other one too, period. It is very easy to build up something in your mind so that your expectations are way higher Than the object can ever deliver and I feel lots of folks do this with air rifles. They scrimp and save for their new toy and put it literally on a pedestal and when arrives if it doesn’t perform like the Angel Gabriel it is a disappointment.

    What I will say about the 100 is this, (Bearing in mind I have cut my air rifles down to two and they are both 100s but neither were “awesome” when I got them), it is an engineering diamond. Sometimes that diamond is utterly brilliant when you get it, sometimes it needs a quick polish and other times it may need a new face or two cutting BUT (and it’s no accident I have put the but in upper case), every one I have owned or worked on (for mates as I know the rifle well enough now), can be made to be a very very capable air rifle.
    That’s why when I recently decided to go down the FAC air route after being stung in the early noughties, and after extensively looking at alternatives and eliminating them for one reason or another it ended up coming down to 2 rifles..... yes the Rapid and the 100. The 100 won out in the end due to availability and serviceability (that meaning the availability of new Original parts as well as aftermarket tuning parts). That rifle was no means fantastic when I got it but again it is very very capable now.
     
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  5. Rattymcrattyface

    Rattymcrattyface STRAP IN

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    I like the ugly ones:D

    Ps if anyone doesnt like their 100 i will dispose of them for free. I will even pay postage.:thumb:
     
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  6. Reevo17

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    Burpster I truly get where you’re coming from but for the best part of W grand they need to be right from the off in my book.

    A £300 springer needing a polish and clean I get

    But £1000 is a different story
     
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    The burpster Posting Addict

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    it’s all relative. To you spending £1k on a rifle is a big investment so you EXPECT it to be flawless, in the same way some folks spending £2k on an FX or DS. Doesn’t mean it’s not still mass produced and they won’t have failures. How many people do you know that have spent nearly £75k on a Range Rover for it to go wrong? I know quite a few..... :eek: But you rarely hear them moaning because it’s apparently “character”.....! :facepalm:
    £1k in the world of modern PCPs isn’t excessive. I concede there are PCPs available that are a faction of that but, because it costs more doesn’t mean it will not have failures.
     
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    I get it I do - can’t argue on failures rates and most likely the more you spend the more likely you are to moan but I would argue that new guns not shooting well are QC issues and hw being the large name they are producing quality guns they need to reasses their standards....

    But then again look at the 99s lol

    (Opens can of worms and steps back)
     
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    There have so many threads on the 99 surely it’s been done to death? Lev had a valid point to start this thread and I have given my answer, with my personal findings. The 99 is not an expensive rifle and by no means an expensive Weihrauch but it wasn’t what Lev was asking....
    Weihrauch are a typical German engineering company in that they create a very good design. They tool up to manufacture it and then they Make to the best of their technology and the sell it.... lots. If it needs tweaking they do so as they go along.

    You also mention QC. QC on a production line probably extends to checking for fit and basic function. It’s not cost effective to run each item for a few hundred operations and test its accuracy and power output consistency....
    We as an air gun buying nation are way more passionate about them than other countries as in those countries air guns as seen as toys as firearms are readily available.
    That UK passion extends to checking power out puts with chronos and analysing shot strings, accuracy and data......
    Go to any powder burning club and for every one guy that puts that much effort into their shooting there are 10 more turning up and having fun and not giving two hoots about velocities etc...... but go to an airgun club and most are talking about it....
     
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  10. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    Until you suffer from lateral epicondylitis...

    I do and I shoot a Spring powered rifle for fun, but boy do you suffer for it....
     
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    Think the only problem the early ones had was the moderator was glued on the barrel and could be a pain to get off
     
  12. TR158

    TR158 Keyboard Hero

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    I have a Mk2 HW100 KTLA (laminate adjustable) and for me it ticks all the boxes. OK, it has been fettled (BTAS and HW100Tuning) but then most of us do have our rifles fettled at some stage.

    I find the whole package quite attractive in a retro German kind of way and it's accurate and pellet unfussy too. In operation (cocking, cycling, firing) its flawless and the fit and feel/handling for me/my frame are just about perfect.

    I think Lev, for you, like me, its about the entire package ie appearance, fit and feel, operation accuracy etc and if just one of those components is off then it just won't do

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    You won’t like the anschutz 9015 to shoot at 12 ft lb then
     
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    I've read that for every 30 people on the planet, there is an AK47. So there has been many many manufactured.
     
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    I have a 2006 HW100 and it's capable of 10mm groups at 45 yrds if I do my part.

    I'm not sure when the first 100's came out?

    Mines a quick fill one with threaded barrel, I know the earliest ones were none QF and had a bonded on moderator

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    middle one[​IMG]

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    I got my 100 new in 2016 and absolutely love it. Super accurate and is a lovely rifle for me to shoulder. It was my first pcp and I never really considered it’s looks. A few years down the line I can see how other brands have it in the aesthetics but my 100 hits everything I point it at so I’d be hard pushed to complain. 10/10 for me.
     
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  18. HW100Tuning

    HW100Tuning Jaja Ding Dong

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    The early HW100's were a bit of a mixed bag. Reg piston directly sliding in the Aluminium block, no quick fill, Aluminium cyclinder end screwing into the Aluminium block etc

    However the barrels were better on the old ones (a lot better than now in my opinion). That said the design hasn't changed much really at all. I have a MK1 .177 and it is sublime. Sounds like you just got a bad one, or it needed setting up properly.
     
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  19. HW100Tuning

    HW100Tuning Jaja Ding Dong

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    Well almost ;)
     
  20. Jonkem

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    They're not a gun for range queens Lev, I know this isn't you but if looks are the issue you'd have to change the stock to something you think is pretty.

    My CS700 is beautiful, my factory thumbhole isn't, but it fits me and is an everyday hunter so ergonomics are all important.

    There have been a few good changes to the mechanicals but they remain a no nonsense Teutonic PCP.

    I probably wouldn't buy a brand new one, I'd let someone else have the depreciation, and would always expect to strip and service a used one I buy. Of the ones I've worked on this year none have had any significant problems, just cleaning out factory grease and changing o rings. All have been very accurate and are very easy to work on I'd you ever need to.
     
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