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Welshname's Hw110 .177

Discussion in 'Gun Gallery' started by welshname, Jul 28, 2020.

  1. welshname

    welshname Engaging Member

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    Evening All,

    So following on from my intro thread and also the Pellpax thread, my HW110 has finally arrived with all its bits and pieces.

    Pretty happy with what I've got but list below:

    • HW110 full length
    • Falcon 5.5-25x50 IR FFP in mil/mil with the B20 reticle
    • Hawke High 30mm Match Mounts
    • Front stock bolt sling stud
    • Caldwell 3-9" Bipod
    • Hard case
    • Safety "Flag"
    • Gauge cover for the front
    • 2 Magazine Cases
    • 2 Extra plastic Magazines (seem okay so far)
    • FX Radar
    • What appears to be a 5L air tank even though I ordered a 3L

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    Unfortunately my biathlon cocking lever handle doesn't fit and pops right off. The grub screw doesn't help either, it seems like the grub screw sits exactly its own width away from getting into the grooves on the back of the cocking lever.

    Couple more pictures:

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    So after putting roughly 100 shots through it and taking out a fly and throwing a rough zero on, I thought I'd put a few shots through the FX Radar and see what we ended up with. It was really windy when I first zeroed so had to tweak it a little now it's calmer.

    Nothing too impressive, shot from 15m, order of shooting was 5 in each target going

    • Top Left
    • Top Right
    • Bottom Left
    • Bottom Right
    • Middle

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    Shot string from FX Radar using JSB Heavies (forgot to turn it on for the first shot):

    Shot count: 24
    Low: 661
    Hi: 710
    Avg: 692
    Spread: 49
    STD Dev: 13.8
    684
    710
    694
    701
    682
    682
    687
    707
    694
    710
    684
    694
    687
    675
    668
    701
    710
    680
    687
    661
    684
    710
    707
    698

    Seems a bit all over the place, what sort of figures should I expect?

    Cheers for reading,
    Rhys
     
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  2. mikeyhall1

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    Looks good, but yes.... that’s all over the place

    That’s a spread of 49fps in only 24 shots. I’d be wanting 15 or less, under 10 even better.

    Sorry mate but that’s not right..
     
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    rizla1 hi

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    very nice
     
  4. welshname

    welshname Engaging Member

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    Agreed. It doesn’t look right at all. Nice to see what I should be expecting. I’m going to give it a proper clean through and run a few more strings through. May try some other pellets to compare. I’ve got a tester pack of JSB to play with
     
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    mikeyhall1 Amazing Poster

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    Try a standard Exact mate, they’re usually the most consistent.
     
  6. Redcap 114

    Redcap 114 Donator (Les)

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    Very nice indeed,

    Enjoy mate.

    Regards.
    Les.
     
  7. Jukebox

    Jukebox Better to burn out...than to fade away.

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    First up mate you want to clean the barrel out.
    WH are notorious for putting a load of gunk down the barrels as a preserver.

    Once that is pulled through and clean stick 30 or so pellets down it into a safe backstop....doesnt matter where they hit...just get some lead down the barrel.

    Set the gun up and attach the chrono a few inches back on the moderator and try your hardest not to move it in any way...it doesnt matter what your sending the pelelts into as long as its safe....your only after a consistent reading.

    Use exacts for this as they are made better than most other pellets and WH like them to eat......let's see where its at then mate with a 10 shot string :thumb:
     
  8. RichieRich

    RichieRich Ping!

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    Spread looks a bit off, considering its a regulated gun. Try the Exacts, 8.44 grain to see if you get any better consistency.

    Like the mag cases ;)
     
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    So in preparation of testing again I went to fill the magazines. Not impressed with the level of damage on the pellet skirts in the tin.

    you can see how many I’ve discarded whilst filling and I’m still not overly happy with the ones I’ve put in the magazines in some instances.

    Anyone recommend a decent online retailer that can package pellets in a way that they won’t arrive damaged?
     

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    Jukebox Better to burn out...than to fade away.

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    :wait::bump:

    How is the gun now mate?
     
  11. AlistairS

    AlistairS Bad case of Gunitis

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    Very nice enjoy, you will soon be putting pellet upon pellet no doubt :thumb:
     
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    Didn't get chance to test last night so hoping to get some free time this evening.

    Fingers crossed, although with the amount of damage on those pellet skirts I'm not sure I'll get decent results. The cleanest looking pellets I've got are the hades. The skirt actually feels more solid too and seems harder to deform with your fingers.
     
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    welshname Engaging Member

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    Okay so just for @Jukebox I decided to just grab the gun really quickly and give it a go. Did manage to clean it last night and re-lead it but didn't get chance to test as had to nip out.

    Results are in. I tested Hades, Heavy and Exact 4.52

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    Based on the initial results, and also the above, either I've got a REALLY shoddy batch of Heavies or my rifle really doesn't like them. Most people I've seen have issues with the hades but not the heavy. That being said I have a sample pack with heavies in, so might try them to rule out whether it's a bad batch or just a disliking of them.

    Will have to see what groups are like between the Hades and the Exact 4.52's at different distances.
     
  15. Jukebox

    Jukebox Better to burn out...than to fade away.

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    Your gun doesn't like that batch if heavies mate...better results though so getting somewhere mate :thumb:
     
  16. welshname

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    Yeah, cheers for the advice.

    I'd have expected the heavies to shoot just the same as the hades considering they are the same size and weight. Will see how the other batch I've got gets on, might just be a duff one.
     
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    @Jukebox

    I've now tested a second batch of Heavies however I can't confirm on die numbers etc as it's one of the JSB Test tins with 30 of each of the 7 types.

    I've added the results to my table.

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    This can't be coincidence. Perhaps there is more to it than just the head being different on the Hades regardless of the fact the weight and size is the same. Looking at the Heavies in the test tin the skirts were all perfect so it wasn't that either.

    Has anyone else found that their barrel seems to love the Hades (we're talking velocity consistency only, not grouping yet) but hates the Heavies?
     
  18. Jukebox

    Jukebox Better to burn out...than to fade away.

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    OK...i wouldn't say the gun is fubared so that's a start mate :thumb:
    Its unusual that its got that much spread against the Hades vs Heavy as they have been very much a like for like through my guns though in fairness I havnt checked across a chrono as they are accurate enough as is.
    Also I'm not sure if heavies come in
    4.50, 4.51, 4.52 and 4.53 variations so maybe someone with more pellet knowledge than me would know...I think @Shoto1 or @Jimmypie or maybe even @cloverleaf would be able to advise here.

    Guns can be REALLY fussy on the above sizes coupled with batch and die numbers also.....thats why the FT /HFT boys will find a certain pellet and then buy in bulk in them for competition shooting.

    I assume that its grouping well though mate?
     
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    @Jukebox the heavies I use are 4.52 , the .177 Hades are 4.50 :)
     
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  20. welshname

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    Now that's interesting.

    From what I can see online there aren't different sizes that you can get for the Hades or the Heavies. Would appear I should try the exacts in the smaller 4.51 size to see what those are like seeing as they are closer to the 4.50 of the Hades.
     
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