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Bad news Well that didn't go as planned.

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Chinnymonster81, Feb 12, 2014.

  1. Chinnymonster81

    Chinnymonster81 Busy Member

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    Aaarrrghh, after a lot of moaning from my eldest son about he would prefer the bolt on his S400 to be left handed I decided to sort it for him. Well the title says it all, two rounded out bolts on the valve body followed by two broken drill bits it finally came apart. And guess what, thats right the pin wouldn't budge nor the bolt handle. Now I'm two fixing bolts short and a less than immaculate valve block and its still right handed .Typical
     
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    Sounds like my kind of luck mate :(
     
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    Tell me about it, all was going well until the bolts rounded out then it just went downhill from there. The only plus point is the messy parts are all covered by the stock. Might bite the bullet and get a new block as they are only about 38 quid, depends on whether it holds air as there was a slight score near the gauge seal. Filled ok will see if any has leaked off later.
     
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    not quite following this mate - theres only one screw to take out when replacing the bolt - the one that secures the bolt to the pellet probe. did you heat it up with a hair dryer to soften the locktite ?
     
  5. cloverleaf

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    That's unfortunate :(

    Not wishing to sound condescending, but how did you manage to strip the heads in the bolts? I'm assuming they were seized in? This seems highly unusual as they're usually good quality and come out pretty easily. Good idea to replace the valve block; although be careful as there are a number of different types.

    With reference to the bolts from underneath, I assume this is a post AT (or at least AT ready) rifle? It sounds like it's an "F" (serial post 100000 or thereabouts, all six action block bolts from underneath), is therefore current and you won't have a problem sourcing parts. If it's a "pre-F" (serial between about 060000 and 100000, four block bolts from the top, two from the bottom) then the block is different and you might have a job sourcing one.

    Removing the on that biases the bolt operation orientation is best achieved with oil, padded needle-nose pliers and possibly a bit of heat. The bolt handle is loctited on; often they come off with a bit of gentle persuasion with the Allen key, however heat helps. Tbh I find it's easiest to get the handles off in situ as the rest of the gun gives you something to hold onto while you're twisting the handle on the bolt shaft.

    Good luck getting it sorted ;)
     
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    Its a recent model six bolts underneath serial No starts 11 the two bolts by the gauge were virtually seized and the allen key just rounded out the bolt head, three different key sets and no purchase. Bloody nuisance. The pin just doesn't want to move and the bolt handle probably wasn't getting hot enough. Just pulled it out of the safe and its still holding air so seems all the damage is purely cosmetic but might change it anyway. It's a nuisance really as its a straight forward job.
     
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    As an aside I can understand why they fit a shear bolt to the transfer port but the rest of the anti tamper plugs are just pointless. Any water getting inside the gun in the rain is gonna stay there as you can't strip and relube properly whilst it is there.
    Suprisingly the AT fell off pretty easily, should have known the already exposed bolts would cause a problem. Beretta don't worry about me taking my shotgun apart they even supply the tools for the job.
     
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    Akita177 Sharpen the pikes

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    The small screws shouldnt be done up too tight in the first place, are you 100% sure you had a decent allen key and the correct size?
    Could it have been apart before and they overtightend everything re-assembling?
    When i took a 2011 S410 apart none of the screws where a problem and the little pin came out easy using tiny thin nose pliers without teeth on them.
    Then warmed up the bolt handle and rotated it 180degrees.
     
  9. Chinnymonster81

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    All the bolts came out easily except the two by the gauge. As said they just rounded straight out. Key size was correct just bad bloody luck. You may be right it could have been taken apart before and over tightened.as for the pin and bolt I'm not overly worried as they will move sooner or later. Just annoyed about the valve body.
     
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    Sounds like a nasty situation.. for the sake of a few quid I'd certainly get that valve body replaced. Glad you got the bloody AT out alright though - as much as I like AA products IMO they've ruined the S400 series with their over-zealous and invasive anti-tamper measures - I'll certainly never own a post-AT AA gun :(
     
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    As Steve pointed out, if u just want to refit bolt to left hand side, heat bolt in handle and undo, swop bolt round, refit bingo.......and people knock bsa quality...I replaced my bolas bolt just now in 2 mins
     
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    You need to move the internal pin to make the action left handed properly. As for the anti tamper the transfer port one is still on, after the rest of the drama I couldnt be bothered trying to get it out. Have two S510's with the anti tamper still on as well. Every time I look at it it annoys me as basic maintenance is hindered. Like I said easy job made impossibly hard by over zealous nannying. I bet they hate it when rifles get sent back for work as getting the AT off is a nuisance unless of course they've got themselves a special tool set just for the job.
     
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    My brand new daystate, trigger bolts just rounded off straight away too, I wasn't happy :)
     
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    Absolutely. I find the AT offensive from an engineering perspective (IMO it ruins an otherwise very well-engineered product), from a hassle perspective (1.5hrs to strip a rifle as opposed to 20 minutes), from the perspective of rifle preservation and longevity (due to the tools and forces involved it's now far easier to damage the gun when removing the AT) but mostly from a moral standpoint (the law states that I'm legally responsible for the energy my rifle produces, yet I'm not deemed responsible enough to be "allowed" the facility to adjust it).

    Unfortunately AA seem to be by far the most heavy-handed in their implementation of AT; despite all their protestations that they're only doing what they're told, other manufacturers seem to "get away" with a lot less..

    The more I sit here and think about this pointless nanny-state-sponsored BS, the more I can feel my p**s boiling - **** you AT :mad:
     
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    I know where you're coming from: the S410K I used to have had been converted from RHS to LHS action and I had to take it apart. Fortunately mine was one of the early AT jobs (upside down hex bolt - easy to deal with).

    Sounds like you've had a mare of a time bud. I wish to god that hex bolts were made of top grade, non-mushy steel instead of crappy monkey-metal. All of them. The world over. The amount of grief I've had from mashed hex and/or screw heads beggars belief :mad:
     
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    As I mentioned I also have another two with AT intact, one of which is close to the limit. I don't want to send it to AA as its under warranty only to be deprived of it's use for month or two just for them to turn a screw and refit the crap that stops me doing it, lot of good the warranty is if it spends it warranty period at AA. The AT plugs are relatively easy to deal with just a couple of scratches to cover up. Might go over my dads to do the other two as he has a proper drill press and things will stay straight. And to add to this my front door is now leaking through the letter box as the clowns fitted it without a gasket, I honestly have to wonder about the manufacturing process of some firms, almost as much water inside the door as out. Still not as bad as the poor sods who are flooded out.
     
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    You turned robot on us?
     
  19. Chinnymonster81

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    Nah just a graphical representation of my current mood. Still it could be worse. The gun still works just need two new bolts. Bidi bidi bidi whats up Buck.
     
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    Parts ordered so should be properly sorted shortly.
     

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