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Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Chady, May 11, 2015.

  1. Chady

    Chady Active Member

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    Good evening all.

    I am into clays, but my 7 year old is all ways asking can he come. But he is two young at 7, he is very mature for his age. but even with a 410 he will miss more than he hits and will put him off.

    so the compromise is to let him start air rifles. and me and the wife can play two!!

    So I have decided to go for .177 PCP! unless any better suggestions?

    can you have a look at this link please?

    http://www.theairguncentre.com/bsa-ultra-tactical-se-multi-shot

    Is this a good deal £££? and what is the gun like? any good?

    Its like a needle in a hay stack lol!

    Thanks for any help and advice.

    Jamie
     
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    I'm with Luap there, I think the Brocock would be an excellent choice, maybe eve a Falcon which handling a Prairie recently felt so much lighter than the Ultra because of it's balance. The downside of the Falcon is of course that they have gone out of business.
     
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    Hi mate
    kibworth got a brocock in you could have a look at
    it's local and the lad can try it to see how it fits
    they are open late now every Thursdaytil 7 I think
     
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    I have a 7 year old boy who handles his grandads Ultra SE with ease. The gun is well balanced. You will need scopes with all these and this adds weight and expense, I know it's included in the price in the link you provided but might he worth checking out others websites .....

    Pellpax
    Solware
    Ronnie sunshines

    The other aspect is shot count, the Ultra SE is an unregulated PCP and will get around 40 shots per charge which is not great but fairly typical but it means you will be constantly filling the Air tube/bottle.

    Might be worth looking at a decent spring gun, something by Hatsan, BSA or Weirauch. The best thing you can do is to visit a local well respected RFD take your lad with you and let him trial some, get him to shoulder various guns. Going the spring powered route will be more cost effective and you can start him with open sights and then move to optics later as he progresses.
     
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  6. Chady

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    Thanks for all of your help and advice.

    What about the second hand route? Do you get many problems? How long do rifel said normally last?

    Jamie
     
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    gasman It tasted like chicken

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    I'd start him off on a springer mate tbh, gamo do some nice starter rifles, and the hw25 is a cracking Little gun
     
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    I'd be tempted by a Ratcatcher if you don't wont a springer, changing a CO2 bulb is far quicker than pumping up a PCP (unless you buy a bottle). And they are very light! My 4 year old can hold mine in the shoulder easily (teaching him about gun safety from an early age, he's happy 'aiming' at cans and shouting bang at the moment).
    If you are interested in a springer, +1 for the HW25
     
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    Rat catcher is a good suggestion. Often overlooked but certainly good enough to learn on.
     
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    Thanks all

    I was told not to go for a springer as there not as accurate? They thought it might put my boy of from missing??

    I did look at springers because there so much cheaper??

    Jamie
     
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    I'll be first (of many probably) to say this, whoever told you that is wrong!
    If he get used to shooting a springer, it will give him more shooting discipline, and they are every bit as accurate as a PCP if practiced with.
    I don’t think I’d be far wrong in saying that every one of us on here (if we started shooting as kids) started with a springer. Probably our dads old BSA Meteor / Mercury or Weihrauch.
     
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    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    Air Arms S200 (2 piece stock model), you can cut the butt to fit him. This is what they did for Knibbs' son at the Country Store at Shustoke. I can remember seeing him coming back through the garden S200 in one hand, rabbit in the other!
     
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    I have a 8 and 5 years old and I can't afford a PCP for them (or myself). My 2 use a XS15 with a self-tuned trigger (filing the sear, now trigger much lighter). Only cost me £60 from Sheffield (or £50 if you go to Lincoln as I found out recently). The good thing about it is that if they lose interest you haven't lost much money. They are the right size for my small 8 years old and shoots accurately at my garage range 6m. I can easily manage 1 cm group (sometimes pellet-on-pellet) offhand, iron sight, using RWS Hobby.

    Of course if you prefer to pay a bit more (3x more) HW25 is also highly recommended. I have bought one second hand recently as well, which turn out to be a dud. The spring is broken and some ******* superglued in the tabs so I can't even take it apart with brute force. The trigger is unfettled, and I can tell you now that it is no better than the XS15 out of the box.

    Put a scope on and let them shoot short range rested... Let him learn the hold and trigger control first. When he's a bit older he can learn iron-sight.

    Enjoy your time with your son!

    Adrian

    PS Both children can shoot 1 inch group at 6m scoped and rested, and they enjoyed shooting it.... they have to start somewhere!
     
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    Thanks.

    I'm sorry to hear about your gun? Did you buy it privetly?? Was it of hear?

    It's what puts me off buying second hand to be honest.

    Jamie

     
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    Jamie, the guy who told you not to get a springer is talking out Hi a__e.

    Seriously they are great if you get a good one. Buying used does come with pitfalls but you limit those by buying off a forum like this. Hang around, keep eye on who posts and sells, also put a post in the "wanted" section.

    In all honesty, the suggestion made before about the rat catcher gun is a very good idea, it's cheap when new, it is not a springer nor a pcp, it runs on little CO2 cartridges that cost next to nothing but are temperature variant but would he a great starter gun and can he modded as your son progresses.
     
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    getting back to the clays, 3inch mags in a 410 will knock clays down ok, just a bit expensive,
     
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    Rat catcher is ok but don't forget co2 costs and low shot count etc. they're horrible to use in stock form. for the same money as a decent rat catcher you will find a used pcp (bsa ultra, s200 or brocock). I have a s200 and a brocock contour and the brocock is smaller and just as light as the rat catcher. The guy I bought it from sold it as his 7 year old doesn't use it anymore.
     
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    It was second hand. The guy was trying to sell it posted... but I lived locally so I went to have a look. Looking through the seller's posts I found out that he has had problems with the said rifle. Brought my chrono over and tested it: 2.5ftlb! Got the price down from to £35. Only realise I also couldn't open it up either when i got home! There were other problems with the rifle as well... At least I bought it with both eyes opened. Took one for the team I think... if it was sold posted someone else would have been stung, big time (asking price was £55)!

    Seriously though, XS15 is designed for very junior shooters. They, and HW25 have the shortest length of pull for a proper rifle out there (as far as I know).

    Adrian
     
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    the HW25`s only 6ft lbs probably enough for a youngster
     

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