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Welders, restorers, bodgers, lend me your years .....

Discussion in 'Vintage collectable airguns' started by Deejayuu, May 10, 2014.

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    hello, well why dont you say your 3 ideas first, exactly what is wrong ? all i can see is a rifle in bits and what looks like the action cut in half?
     
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    What is the make? Looks interesting. :)
     
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    one of my favourite riles, just love the look of them, think a lot of folk have them in .38 cal to make the ammo cheaper.
    if you need the mech welded im a tig bloke.
    chris
     
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    John it's an Ermawerke Elg 10 .177 lever action. In the UK Webley imported some with their name stamp and called Ranger.

    Caddyman it's a good lookalike but just a plinker although very sought after. The break is diecast so may not weld. What do you think?

    Ratman60 the action is snapped in half so needs repair or replacement.

    Thanks to all for looking.
     
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    cast may weld but it will be a gamble . you need to take it to a very good welder. as the part is in effect under no stress you may have success and refinished the repair will be unnoticeable. but you need a very competent welder. i used to work in an aerospace manufacturing plant and a friend managed to repair a cast item for me. be very choosy but it is possible. regards rob
     
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    I agree with the last post, cast is a b****r, im set up for stainless and ally but cast can be a bit of a git to find a sutible filler rod, so id advise a specialist in cast repairs.
    chris
     
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    hello, i looked at some old photos of this rifle and that action has a good width on the side plate, if is cast and the cut is clean depending on the stress it takes you could precisely drill and dowel it with steel pins both sides and have it braze welded or silver solder, you can re do shotgun barrels with silver solder so it can take stress, you can heat up cast depending on the quality of manufacture. this work can be done and a good welding braze if using the proper tools to hold both parts in place. i did a search and think you might get another action maybe from usa, i have a gun dealer in usa i sometimes email, he does a lot with air rifles so i could ask him if you dont get any where with yours. good luck
     
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    just to add the cutting in half of the action would mean a loss of saw blade width so you would need determin the true measurement.
     
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    Thanks again to all. Break is clean and clamps faithfully to fit.
    The solder/weld route is my last resort 'cos it's a one shot risk as suggested.
    Side frame is only 3mm thick so threading for fixings will need to be fine pitch.

    Priority is to try fixes easily reversed leaving frame original using existing pivot/screw bosses as anchors
    i) Cast some form of adhesive bond into voids with embedded reinforcing rods
    ii) Adhesive bond flitch plates fabricated to fit profile of the voids
    iii) Cast metal into voids as i)
    iv) Fabricate a replica from scratch. No machine tools so hand and eye and will take some time!
    v) Find a replacement

    Thanks Ratman60 appreciate trying USA dealer next time you're in contact.

    Any adhesive/casting specialists' tips welcome.
     
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    Deejayuu keep us informed as how you are proceeding with this task,thanks for the lapping paste barrel recrowned and a adapter fitted shots fine at 6ft/lbs ideal target rifle in .177.soon you will be buying Weihrauchs,dave
     
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    hello, 3mm side plate? you do not need thread but use 1mm dowel pin x stainless steel as then can weld if required. if you have a bench press drill and a vice that will sit the 2 halves true level 6 pins will suffice. i will email the usa rfd cheers
     
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    deejayuu have emailed the gunsmith/RFD in the USA lives somewhere in the wilds, fixes just about any weapon. his name is Terence Rybak, reason i found him was to purchase a Squirrel Claw?? and bought his last 2 as the US manufacture company ceased trading. we keep in touch by email. cheers
     
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    Ratman60, many thanks again you keep going the extra mile.
    At the mo' it's a mind experiment 'cos a lot going on family front. All good.

    The little practical I've managed makes me think it's do-able without invasive action on the original as a first step.
    So leaves more options in event of failure.

    Just for fun I admit that delusions make me think a replica in steel/brass/aluminium would be great entertainment!!
     
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    hello, terry emailed and gave these 2 airgun spares RFD/shops where most US airgunners turn to for spares, 1 x AIRGUNS OF ARIZONA, 2 X PYRAMID AIR. worth a check on web sites and sending an email?
     
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    I would glue it back together, get a cad model and have a part cnc'd (if that's possible)
    You could do a run and sell them!
     
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    Cant u have the broke encasing copyied on a cnc miller in stainless or ally or the likes ect sure so e shed tuners would have the equipment or u coud gothe whole 9 mile and go titanium but woud be pricey but last a lifetime
     
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    Thanks to all for the interest.
    Daveymole, HW's too reliable ;)
     

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