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Webley VMX .22

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Lincoln, Jul 8, 2014.

  1. Lincoln

    Lincoln Engaging Member

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    Only picked up my "pre owned" Webley VMX the other week. Chap in the shop, after l'd explained what l want the air rifle for (ratting round the farm buildings) said that a Webley VMX .22 would be ideal on the limited budget l was prepared to spend. £120 ... so l bought it and off l went. I mainly use shotgun for my regular shooting, but listening to my mate, and his jollies out with his air rifle, it dawned on me, l was missing a trick. Now he is a serious air gunner. And l was about to dipping my toes in the pneumatic world so to speak. I am a realist and my expectation were low regards the Webley VMX. However, being new to air gunning, l duly took the advice, which l still think is good advice. One of these mate will do the job and its a reasonable starter gun at a starter price. I thought that was fair. Paid the man and orf l went, happily i must add ... What with work, l had no chance to try out my new purchase. I got round to calli g my mate "he owns a couple of Daystates" .. mentioned about pellet selection. He said, hold off buying any. Pop round to his, he has a variety of .22 pellet and he would run a few makes of pellets throught the Webley VMX, decide which are most suitable, having put them through his chrono ... to reaffirm, the previous week, the chap in the shop told me the rifle was approxiamately 12 months old, knocking out 10lb, well capable for what l'd told him l purchased it for ... ratting ... the results were not quite as l'd expected nonetheless ... lowest reading 7.4lb .. best 7.7lb ... well the rifle wasn't a kings ransom and it wasnt new. And there is always the buyer beware theory ... but that aside, 12 months old, tidy in appearance, and mechanically tight "has a newish feel to it my mate commented... lm not sure what to do. Spend a few quid and get it up to a reasonable standard or part exchange it ... not the end of the world either way, but only had it a week lol ... must had fired all of 75 pellets ... cheers
     
  2. bhodge

    bhodge Keyboard Hero

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    My advice...take it back to the place you bought it from. Tell the guy what you've just told us then tell him it's "not what he said it was". Ask for your money back, or, offer to pay a little bit more for something better. He said 10ft.lbs, you checked it at 7.5(ish), that's quite a difference! Finally, ask him to chrono your 'next' gun in your presence before parting with anymore cash.
    Good luck mate.
     
  3. spike589715

    spike589715 Busy Member

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    Hi
    sadly I think this sort of thing happens quite often ...
    I have brought a few guns second hand and I don't think any were close to what was described power wise
    i always buy with the intention of stripping anyway so not really an issue
    I. Your case I would take it back as well under what was described
    keep us posted
    simon
     
  4. TORNADOS7

    TORNADOS7 Top Poster

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    What pellets where you using, strikes me that if your mate is using Daystate PCP's he'll probably be using heavier than normal pellets say 16grn + I would suggest you try some Superdomes or Accupells at 14-14.5grn and run it over the chrono first just to check !!!

    Just a suggestion ...
     
  5. ratman60

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    hello, my .20 WVM was putting out just over 10.5, you could try return and get money back and buy a HATSAN 60 or strip down and re lube and new piston seal, and maybe a tinbum tuning kit off here. £20
     
  6. rynner

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    hi,i had a vmx and if you can get your money back do.inside they are as rough as rats with swarf and sharp edges every where,i cleaned mine up inside and it shot well until the forward stock screw holes split 500 pellets later,my model was a springer .22, £110 with scope NEW in january,but i think that there is also a gas ram version,its easy with hindsight but mine was the rifle that would put anyone off,they are made in turkey (hatsan?)and the importer obviously doesnt inspect them before selling, looked nice though,good luck and i hope you dont spend any more on it
     
  7. Barry32

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    I had the the same problem when I bought my hatsan striker it was running at about 8 or 9 ft1bs I spent £50 it got a slight tune and it improved a bit in velocity not much though.
    My advice is take back or strip it down and do it yourself which is what I wish I had done as the striker which I think is pretty much the same as the webley is easy to work on I added around 3mm of preload and its now around the high 10s low 11ft1bs. Also the tuning kit is a good idea as mentioned above.
     
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  8. cloverleaf

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    I'd go with the consensus - if it's only doing 7ftlb with appropriate pellets (I find RWS Hobbys and Superdomes are good for chronoing .22 springers) take it back.

    It shouldn't have just "lost" 2.5ftlb in the ten minute ride home from the gunshop, so the shopkeeper has evidently had your pants down.

    While I applaud your grounded approach, tbh these low-end foreign springers are sometimes fraught with problems and often only of any use if you're reasonably savvy with working on them and are prepared to pull them to bits and put some time in to get them shooting OK.

    If you're open to spending a bit more a Weihrauch HW95ks would be great for the job, or even better an Air Arms S410k if you want to push the boat out and go PCP ;)
     
  9. Patrick

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    If the gun was a year old and you paid £120 for it,it was over priced as they're only about £130 brand new.I did have a Hatsan Striker(.177) which mechanically is the same gun virtually, only difference is the stock, and it use to put out consistently 10-10.5 fpe with various pellets and was quite accurate I.E 20 pellets at 10mtrs could be covered by a 5p piece approx.The only thing I did other than lube the pivots was to take the action out of the stock and through the cocking slot put a bit of grease on the spring and a couple of drops lube on the inside of the cylinder
     
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  10. Lincoln

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    I paid £120 for the VMX, though l had the scope changed to a Tasco 3-9 x40 .. that all came to £120.

    Anyhow, dont own it anymore. Exchanged it for a new SMK B19 plus a new rifle gun slip "lve only got shotgun slips and they wont fasten. Same price .. biggest difference is the VMX is plastic, this is wood. Plus its got more Ooomph ... got to say Tonys Camo were very good imho.
     
  11. rynner

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    thats a good move,i was planning to try to trade mine in until the plastic split,all the best
     
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    I think the stock splitting around the front screw holes is caused by those horrible serrated washers under the screw heads biting into the plastic especially if they're done up very tight,when I had the Striker I replaced them with some flat brass washers.
     
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    Apparently those screws with star shake proof washers are torqued to 2lbs ft. ... cheers
     

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