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Advice WEBLEY VALUEMAX 20

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by SW-Novice, Feb 9, 2014.

  1. SW-Novice

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    I GUESS THE NAME SAYS IT ALL

    The reach to trigger is a little long and first stage is creepy and needs to be sorted.
    The stock is hollow and it amplifies the mainspring twang.
    The stock is a cheap feeling high gloss plastic affair which does the gun no favours.
    The .20 bore feels a little tight as all tested .20 pellets take a fair amount of pressure to get them into the bore.

    As i bought the rifle for my son at his request it is going to be hard to tell him it's total 'arse sweat' ,especially as he loves it and just wants it to be smooth firing, so im hoping someone can give some advice.

    Is it worth a full strip-down and service and fitting an after market trigger blade ?
    Should i fill the stock with light weight filler to deaden the resonance of the firing cycle?
    Should the pellet be that tight in the bore?

    Personally i would rather buy him a used BSA or HW springer but it was his choice.
     
  2. highland chief

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    hi mate

    I have the 22 version of this gun, to be honest I like it. some guys fill the stock with foam to deaden the twang sound. I have snapped my trigger blade and chambers want a fair bit for a new trigger assembly. I am going to get a trigger shoe fitted to sort this out, I don't think its possible just to change the trigger blade, maybe I am wrong. if so, and you manage it, please let me know how you get on. I stripped my gun and polished everything. fires like a dream now.

    cheers

    gus
     
  3. ratman60

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    hello, first its nice to see your son interested in shooting and getting him a rifle but as it was your sons choice it will not take much to get this rifle shooting better/quiter/ . if you are handy in stripping this vm for about £60 with parts guide get a welsh willy tune kit with instructions woodfield gpc on line, he will also say how to fettle trigger without replacing. fill the stock with poly beads or stuff you use for packing you know what i mean. tamp down well until full and replace butt pad. a one piece scope mount with a locking stud and scope suitable for springers unless he like those sights already on rifle so dont worry about scope. once you do a tune and other mentioned he will be very pleased, my sons are grown up and no shooting interest but 1 loves trouting like me so i am happy. ps once you do this pm me and i will send some .20 samples if you say which make tried. happy days!!!!
     
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    Polish the breech alittle at a time then try for fit, use autosol, it should help with thumbing in a pellet.
     
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    Thanks for the response everyone.
    I will take the buttplate off and will fill the stock with the guts out of an old beanbag and see if that works ;), i hadn't thought of that
    Im using Webley Accupell .20 which are a very tight fit, might need to either deburr and polish the breech or see if there are slightly smaller head pellets in a .20 calibre
     
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    hello, thats ok to fill the butt and i used what i mentioned. accupells are quite solid but you need a fairly tight pellet i have some superfields send me your addy when you sort out sons vm and i will post a few.
     
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    I think the guys at Webley have lost the plot when they decided to call a gun the valuemax....UUUUURRRRRRGGGGHHHH.....BARF
     
  8. SW-Novice

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    They might as well call it the Webley 'Happy Shopper' or Webley 'Poundland'.
    It will forever be referred to by my son as "The Webley VMAX 20" as he hates my sniggers each time the gun gets mentioned.
     
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    Stock initially packed with small amount of Polyfoam (sleeping bag stuffing) followed by those little white balls that cling to everything, then finally topped off with a little more Polyfoam. It now doesn't echo like a fart in church when you pull the trigger. Breech has been de-burred using piece of felt on the end of a steel knitting needle with smooth valve grinding paste and final polish with 1.5 micron paste. Now i have a chamfer that's 60 degrees and 2mm deep and pellets go in a bit smoother but are still very tight in the bore. I'm not sure about getting a tuning kit or just stripping the gun and cleaning it completely and smoothing all rough surfaces and regreasing correctly. I'm willing to sacrifice a foot pound if i can get it smooth and the firing cycle quieter, after-all my son will be the one to benefit from all the work and he wants it for sub 25 metre accurate shooting.
     
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    well you done something to help getting the wvm better, i would give welsh will a call as he tunes these rifles with a tuning kit he makes, just a strip down and re grease can help. get a parts diagram print out or there might be a tune guide on net, these rifles are clones to others so look on the chinese forum. if your pellets are fitting better they do need to locate tight in breech but not overly. try some bisley superfield pellets
     
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    Try Bisley super field, there not as tight fitting as other available .20 pellets.
     
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    I will scrounge a sample pack from my local RFD in the morning. It's a shame that the Accupells had to be seated with a lot of thumb pressure as they are a very consistent shape and weight.
     
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    my rifle likes superdomes mate. let me know how you get on with the trigger:up:

    cheers

    gus
     
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    Hi, ive owned the .22 version for a while now and the twang is hard to get rid off. I stripped mine the day i go it the internals are very good ,well finished. The springs are flat and dressed well. one thing i found was the grease hatsan use is not moly grease but a thick red grease which i removed and relubed myself. I also added weight to the stock and filled it to stop the amplified twang. it still sounds like an m1 garand clip flying out when fired but still a good gun for the money. These guns are made by hatsan arms of turkey.
     
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    what did you fill your stock with mate. I have had mixed fortunes with expanding foam. poly balls.

    cheers

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    Believe it or not i used old brake pads off my motorbike for weight and packed it with plastic bags i Know this might not be to everyones taste but it worked and it cost nothing.
     
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    I have found a perfect sound deadener, I went into the local market and purchased a cheap cushion for 2 quid, got home and filled the stock by poking the foam
    down into the stock with a piece of wooden dowel. I then increased the weight by filling an old pellet tin with modelling clay (Plasticine) and packet it in to the rear of the stock with more foam. It is now a little heavier than with the poly beads and has no resonance or vibration. Sounds a bodged job but transforms the handling and cuts vibration by about 90%.
     
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    I have one of these guns in a .177, I think the gun is good fun, especially for what it costs. It's never going to be worth spending time or effort tuning though.

    My gun shoots around 8-9 F/Lbs, so a bit low on power, it's not pinpoint accurate, but using the iron sights makes a nice change from scopes and feels a bit more "real" with a little kick.

    I agree about the naming though, "Valuemax".. sounds a bit like "Dogpoo".
     
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    hello, as i mentioned i filled my wvm butt with poly/st balls like those cheesy puffs:D but i tamped down so it was a solid block then replaced pad, this is about the cheapest way to do this. if you want the best way at a little cost buy a tin of builders foam that hardens solid in walls etc make sure the excess air goes out while filling and once hardened cut flush and replace pad.
     
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    Was your modifications were more of a fun project than serious shooting modifications?

    I can certainly see the benefit to changing the grease if it's cheap/thick generic used and I know these guns are front heavy so filling the stock would make sense, but you wouldn't buy this gun as an enthusiast project?
     

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