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Question Webley Rebel

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by scottyshot71, Jun 2, 2014.

  1. scottyshot71

    scottyshot71 Well-Known Member

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    I've only just spotted these on the net and watched a few videos. A pump up PCP with approx 10-12 ft/lbs. They only cost just over £100 and seem reasonably accurate. Seems like a good 'fun' gun to have. Anybody actually used one of these out there...
     
  2. cloverleaf

    cloverleaf Super Moderator Staff Member Mod/Admin

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    Depends on your definition of fun, I suppose.. if you like spending ten times as long priming the rifle as you do shooting it and have a soft sport for gross inefficiency and cheap plastic, you might appreciate the Rebel ownership experience :p

    Seriously, they're an *even* cheaper copy of the old Sharp pump-ups; take lots of time and effort to pump without much output (8-10ftlb is as good as it gets) plus the build quality is a bit shonky - I recently used one that fired when the pump lever was closed. Or the bolt was opened. Or the bolt was closed..

    Personally wouldn't have one if you paid me; I'd certainly suggest you try one before parting with any cash ;)
     
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    I believe the Japanese sold all the machinery to the Chinese. They just fitted a plastic stock to the action they made from those machines and moulds. Like most things Chinese, they need a fettle to make them work properly. I still enjoy using my Sharp Innova and Victory even though I own springers and a couple of PCP's.
    Note to self.... Must remember to go see my Annalist again:confused::D
    Brian
     
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    I've got one in .22 out the box it did 10fpe very accurate but hard to pump after 6 pumps. I then stripped it down adjusted power & pump arm, put better seals in and tightened it up in places. It will do 9fpe on 4 pumps very easy to pump, 6 pumps will do 10.5, 8 will do 11.6. Theres no way id take it hunting but for target shooting 4 pumps your shoot all day long. For people who like to tinker will have fun with it ;)

    The reason they fire when the pump arm is shut is the trigger as been set to low and the sear slips. This happened to me it wasnt fun however it wasnt loqded.
     
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  5. JD

    JD Donator

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    I thought these Rebels were built in with Anti tamper, so you could not play around with the workings of them.
     
  6. Bullwhip

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    I was fancying one of these when they first came out for my son to use.
    bit worrying to hear they can just go off on their own.

    shame as they "look" good.

    If you have a good one rebel, why wouldn't you take it hunting?
    is it too loud?
     
  7. Kada82

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    The reason i wouldnt take it hunting if i needed a follow up shot it will take to long. Im not saying it cqnt be used, i just wouldnt.

    Yes it is fitted with A/T but there are guides about

    Edit: I brought mine for target shooting for that it does its job perfect just enough power without stressful pumping
     
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    Sounds like they are a value plink gun really. But I guess a good SMK could do just as good for the money.
     
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    flatrajectory Keyboard Hero

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    The build quality is atrocious. Mine wore out the pivot pins in the cocking linkage after only 200 shots. There are also problems with breech/ barrel alignment in the .177 version.
    Save your money for something else.
    Pete.
     
  10. Kada82

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    At 85 quid its gonna be cheap cheerful. Alot of the promblems would be gone if they tested them first. Ive modded plenty of 78's 2250' this was different. If anyone what to come and try mine your more then welcome to its tuned slightly. You maybe surprice.

    How people loaded 177 so put gun down and drop in pellet.
     
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    I have a number of Innova,s, ( 7 ) 2 of which are in Chrome , & 2 Aces ,
    These were great guns
    Accurate , Powerful ( Yes really ) & reliable, Nothing could touch the power/Lightweight/Lack of recoil in their day ! I have had them all, Setra,s , Sheridans, Crosmans, All pumpers & Great guns,

    I have not seen the latest Chinese offering but heard bad tales about it, Low power, Cheap/Poor quality plastic & the need for excessive pumping for a decent output ! ( The Innova,s did 5-6 pumps for 12 Fpe, The Ace even less due to its long barrel & Better cylinder to breech seal ,
    Its all metal design also promised a " Forever " Life span.

    I made a number of years ago Mods for these, IE, Aluminium silencer adapters, Aluminium & Brass breeches, Also a reduced volume cylinder giving 11.2 Fpe on 3 Pumps,
    Here are a couple of Pics, ( I have some parts left ) Also my 90% Made Innova stood for over 5 years, This is shooting ( Very well ) Its the cosmetics I never finished , This was going to be the ultimate ! Guess I will never do it.

    Ged .
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    Kada82 Busy Member

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    Its funny power wise as the 1st lot of rebels in uk were fac only. Around 14fpe. When the power was sorted they were available in 2 power settings around 6fpe for bell/ target and 10fpe for hunting. I think shops was just selling them not knowing about that. They are NOT an innova but for the money they worth getting i love to fettle so its right down my street. 1 Tip to anyone who wants to mod one replace most of the screws and bolts as they will bend. Ive got a nice nut & bolt fitted to the pump arm with washers. It will never bend or go slack
     
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    Very nice rifles gedfinn and top marks for your engeering. Im getting to that age now where i realy want one

    Have you got any front parts left that fit chamber and barrel together ?
     
  14. robs5230

    robs5230 Oversprung

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    the rebel is what it is. a cheap innova copy. if buying one you need to get it chrono'd at the shop , i had 2 and one would not hold air from new. the .177 will be very low on power . the main head pin that the pump arm pivots on is made from cheese and wears on the first pump ( easily replaced ), all metal edges will slice fingers and the casting quality on the breech is not brilliant. the top of the foresight will need removing with a dremmel if using a scope and the thread for the silencer is NOT 1/2" unf.
    the saving grace is the stock , its actually very good.
    the rebel with a little fettling does make a nice hunting rifle. the question of reloading time is down to personal choice. if you need constant shot after shot, it aint for you. as a rabbitting rifle with maybe 10 or so hunting shots over a session it's fine ( just as any other multipump rifle)
     

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