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Webley Premier Service

Discussion in 'Vintage collectable airguns' started by Magnum Farce, Jun 30, 2020.

  1. Magnum Farce

    Magnum Farce Man's gotta know his limitations

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    Put a service kit (spring, piston seal & breech seal) on my 1973 Premier today but I actually prefer it how it was. Feels like a new gun now, spongey breech closure & much more effort to cock. Little bit more power to it but who cares, it’s an antique. I’m disappointed. Might have to kick the cat. Yes I’ll kick the cat then get a bath.
     
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    flatrajectory Keyboard Hero

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    The sponginess when you close the barrel is costing you some power. The breech seals are too thick( always have been) and need trimming. What you are experiencing is the barrel squashing the rubber seal slightly and closing off the transfer port.
    Remove the breech seal , slide it onto a suitable piece of dowel of( approximately 3 mm dia.) So that it is a snug fit. Using a sharp craft knife trim about ten thou." off the rear/ flat face of the seal. Do Not trim too much. Refit and bobs your uncle. If you don't know what 10 thou looks like ...it's about the thickness of the blade of your craft knife.
    Pete.
     
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    Whilst you are at it might as well lol a coil or two off the mainspring. It will reduce the strain on the cocking links and shoot much nicer.
     
  4. Magnum Farce

    Magnum Farce Man's gotta know his limitations

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    I was thinking the same about cutting the spring but I had no idea about the breech seal I assumed it would be the correct size & the sponginess was because it was new, makes sense now that you mention it tho, I’ll do that tomorrow. Ironically the only one I’ve ever done on a Webley was a home made leather one & that worked a treat.
     
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    ggggr Crap old gun tinkerer and wine maker

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    I tend to sand the back face of the breech seals to get them to fit. Also I am a fan of taking 2-3 coils off the mainspring of Webley pistols. If you look at a used Tempest mainspring, they are nearly always bent at 3 coils in. I tried cutting one down after I was trying to polish the end of a spring and it broke 3 coils in. Since then I tend to shorten springs on Webley pistols so they just come to the end of the cylinder.
     
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    I would still recommend , taking just 2 coils off, and refinish/flatten/grind the end coil.
     
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    Magnum Farce Man's gotta know his limitations

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    Yes I wouldn’t want to cut it flush with the cylinder, without checking (I’m at work) I think the spring that came out is about half an inch shorter than the new one.
     
  8. Magnum Farce

    Magnum Farce Man's gotta know his limitations

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    I found this quite interesting..

    As an experiment, I left the gun cocked last night (so 20hrs in all) to see what effect if any it would have on the spring, and this is the result.

    On the right is a brand new mainspring (Chambers MS071) straight out of the packet, in the middle is an exact same spring left cocked for 20hrs, and on the left with the cable tie on it is the spring I took out which has had years of use & may even be the original spring.

    9F91E151-7247-4692-BC28-DF779D558690.jpeg
     

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