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Warning motorist

Discussion in 'General chit chat' started by Pavarotti, Jun 7, 2014.

  1. Pavarotti

    Pavarotti Engaging Member

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    Following on from the "unbelievable" thread about vagrants you may be interested and indeed warned of the police stance in Wales.

    In the local paper it says that if you are caught flashing a warning to other motorist approaching a mobile speed camera you will be done by police for obstruction and end up in court .

    While I am all for catching out of control speed freak yobs and drunks driving over the speed limit I am a bit uneasy with the attitude the police are taking. It's just a wee bit draconian. Yes I now 31mph is one mile over the limit but I can't help thinking there's another agenda here, probably a financial one

    I'd be interested in your views.
     
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    They've had it in for bikers for years.
     
  3. SteveO

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    It's a bit inconsistent really....

    Mobile camera/operator - 30mph + 10% (3mph) + 5mph (total 38mph) equals a secure conviction (I know this is local policy as I was stopped doing 37 in a 30 and 1mph more meant a conviction... phew!!)

    Static camera - Gatso, Truvelo, Specs - 31 mph in a 30 = conviction (family member been done by fixed camera at 31 mph while in a funeral procession (wonder if the hearse driver was done too)
     
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    The problem with this is that vehicles speedometers all run approx 10% fast, so if your showing 30 on the clock you will be doing approx 27, if you use a sat nav you will see the difference. The police and authorities know this and so if the camera catches you at 31 your speedo will have been showing approx 34/35.
     
  5. sneakysniper

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    I find the getting done for warning others part is a bit rich, considering they reckon the cameras are there to prevent speeding.
    I rang them up once to ask about the cameras on my way to work. On one stretch of road there were 3 static cameras and the day i rang up there was also a mobile camera on a bike. Now this is on a stretch of road less than half a mile long!

    Ok maybe it's a dangerous road? = NO
    Recent accident/fatality? = NO

    They couldn't explain why it was so heavily monitored, however it is a VERY busy road traffic wise and in a very affluent area with plenty of signs up stating "vote such and such a Tory MP" in all the gardens during election times. Makes you think..
     
  6. vitalich

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    Just found three new static cameras on A1 (just before the 406) on crosses (!)
    It was really done for cash pumping, not for safety.
     
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    This was in the news some time ago. They have to catch you at it though and lets face it we're either well ahead of or well passed the cam van when we do our flashing.

    If you're that worried about flashing your lights there's always the gentle flapping with your arm out the window that I've seen some older people do. I think it's the same sign as cyclists are meant to make if they are slowing down and about to take a turn.
     
  8. terry1001

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    Exceeding the speed limit by as little as 1 mph is an offence but the ACPO guidelines for speed enforcement set the threshold at 10% (of the posted limit) + 2 mph which is 35 mph in a 30 limit. Generally there is now a band above this threshold where a speed awareness course will be offered if the driver has not recently attended one. All speed cameras whether mobile or fixed will be set to the same threshold in any particular force area. Traffic officers in cars may use this as a guide but will usually take other factors into consideration when dealing with speeders, attitude and general driving standards can make a big difference to the officers decision.
    Anyone who is prosecuted at a speed lower than the ACPO threshold should ask why this has happened although it is good practice and makes sense to drive within the limit to ensure that you don't get into trouble.
    The police force will probably get a proportion of the fee for a speed awareness course but all income from fixed penalty notices and court fines goes directly to the Treasury although the courts have to impose a surcharge which goes towards victims of crime.
     
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    Not sure if this is one of those urban legends, although i did actually here it from a serving cop and he reckons if the speeding fine letter "never arrives" and you don't receive it within 14 days of the offence, then it can be disputed/written off.
     
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    The offence for warning oncoming drivers of a speed trap has always been in force. A friend was done for it many years ago.
     
  11. Pavarotti

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    I'm still uneasy about it. You could argue that you were in fact helping prevent a crime so why are you being done. Is it that the police have to justify what they are doing particularly as stated about cameras on a safe stretch of road.

    There is the financial element as said.

    There is perhaps another point. Various statistics show that crime is falling. Are mobile cameras a way of the police justifying to their political masters their very existence?
     
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    I have heard something very similar also.
     
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    It's 17 days, 14 days + 3 to allow for delivery of the NIP (notification of intended prosecution)

    You would be surprised at how effective fitting a camera into your vehicle recording your own driving is at reducing your speed, I rarely drive over the posted limit now I have my iPhone fitted with iSymDVR software showing a whole range of GPS data on it.

    It paid off nicely on 18th April when a motorist pulled out from a side road and resulted in me T-boning her in my van, she had no choice but to put her hands up and admit liability instantly, unfortunately due to my low speed (27mph) the airbag didn't deploy so my shoulder took the full wrath of the seatbelt, could have been a lot worse, had the whole family in the vehicle with me including a wheelchair user.... the camera is a great reason not to drive fast, dangerously or inconsiderately as it could incriminate you!
     
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    The Notice of Intended Prosecution (NIP) has to be 'served' within 14 days, in law it is deemed to have been served if it was posted by first class post so that it would normally arrive within 14 days. It doesn't matter if you're on a month holiday or have moved house etc or if you claim that you didn't receive it because the dog must have eaten it it's still been served and the process will carry on.
     
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    They tried to do me donkey's years ago when driving a friend's old Honda ... reckoned i was trying to warn other drivers and proceeded to read the riot act to me about being irresponsible as apart from being illegal it could cause accidents blah blah blah ... other copper was wondering why I was so quiet and seemingly cooperative until I explained that it was a friend's car and had got momentarily confused between the indicators and lights ???? On the Honda, the controls were a*se about face with indicator on right ... still didn't believe me, but had to give benefit of the doubt and were definitely going to nick me otherwise. I am obviously as white as the driven snow and would never have flashed the oncoming motorists to make them aware of the money grabbing set of b'stads up ahead :rolleyes:
     

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