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Scopes Want to change- Suggestions?

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by PhoenixElite, May 23, 2014.

  1. PhoenixElite

    PhoenixElite Engaging Member

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    Today I decided my AA S510 is wayyy to heavy.. everyone who shoots it complains :( And yes its the superlite version to! I believe this is mainly my scope being so chunky, as I have stripped off the silencer, and the 9-13 swivel bipod, but added a sling and its still over my ideal weight.

    My scope is a Hawke Eclipse 30SF IR 4-16x50 it weighs a hefty 800grams!


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    Important feature to me are side focus, map6a or half mil recticle, light weight and light entry near dusk

    curious to opinions on 50/44/40 and also fixed focus at say 10x-does it make it lighter?

    Actually if anyone wants a swap, Im open to suggestions as well.. (as new value £220)

    Regards -Jon
     
  2. Panther

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    Hi,
    I love my Bushnell 4.5-14x44 legend ultra HD a little more than your current budget but worth every penny.
     
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    I'm in the same boat looking for a sf,lightish hunting scope with ilum ret, going to get a mtc viper connect 3-12x32 with amd reticle.I could be wrong but I think it'll do my job nicely.Will keep my 6-24x56 nikko nighteater tho just for long range plinking lol.
     
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    I'm tempted to say that this may be the best option http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Set-Of-Weights-/171338021143?pt=UK_Strength_Training&hash=item27e48ab917
    If you're going to get a scope which is significantly lighter than your current one then you're going to have to make some sacrifices. Features like zoom, side focus and big objective lenses with high magnification all add weight.
    Hawke have cut back on their range of multi aim point reticles so you probably won't find the combination you want unless you go for used.
    A fixed magnification scope such as a 4x40 will be light and it should be in focus for nearly all of air rifle ranges or could be re-parallaxed to suit but it may not be easy to find one with a MAP although they do exist but will probably be mil dots. Mind you at low magnification the holdover required (in mil dots) is quite low anyway. There are some 10x fixed power scopes about, that's the standard power for mil dot use and is also (I think) used for HFT shooting.
    You'll have to decide what features you can do without.
     
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    hello, i think Air Arms need to go back to school, AA S510 standard rifle 2.9kg 6.4llb then the same model advertised as super-lite ???? 2.9kg 6.4llb as in the airgun buyers guide, would that be a consumer ploy or just plain daft:rolleyes: kens advice on the varmit might be suitable or panthers but if you only go hunting you might find an ezfield jack pike hunter jacket/rifle rest kit help about £80 which i use for night hunting and a FX T12 plus n/v.


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    Important feature to me are side focus, map6a or half mil recticle, light weight and light entry near dusk

    curious to opinions on 50/44/40 and also fixed focus at say 10x-does it make it lighter?

    Actually if anyone wants a swap, Im open to suggestions as well.. (as new value £220)

    Regards -Jon[/QUOTE]
     
  7. Kenbarcon

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    You might struggle with a swap for yours at that value, they are now discontinued and the last ones sold off at £190.
     
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    Hi Jon,

    I know this isn't on your list but I have a couple of Prostaffs - 3-9x40 BDC and a 4-12x40 Mildot. They aren't AO but they are a great scope once they are re-parallaxed. There is of course the mamba lites as well which is SF but no IR - I personally like them although the prostaffs are better in low light.

    Just let me know if you want to have a look at them etc and I can run them up to you (not the mamba as its on my HW, although you could shoot it of course).

    Cheers
    Tim
     
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    Bushnell legend form me mate, quality glass, so good in low light.
     
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    I've just bought a FFP (First Focal Plane) Falcon Optics Menace 5.5-25x50. It's great because no matter what zoom you are on the mil dots represent the same MOA (minute of angle).
     
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    I've just mounted an MTC Viper 10x44 onto my HW100, great scope and not too heavy, on my S410, I have a BSA Dearstalker 8-32x44. That has side focus, holds zero well and is not heavy either. Picked that up second hand for £45. Glass is good as long as you don't go too far beyond 26mag.
     
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    I've had the. Pier 10x44 and now have the hawke sidewinder tac 10x42 .awesome all round scope and comes with side focus and half mil dots. Managed to get mine from veils fishing tackle 155 delivered ;) bargain I thought. Really good in any light conditions to
     
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    I am always amazed whenever these threads come up how many people say to buy what they have whether it fits the brief or not.

    A lighter scope is required, so there really doesn't seem to be much point in suggesting significantly heavier ones...

    The problem is the overall brief is borderline impossible to meet in full.

    The moment you say you want good low light performance that means Nikon Prostaff or Vortex Diamondback. Nothing (and I mean nothing) comes close unless you look at spending close on £400 or more.

    Trouble is, they don't have side focus, or the ret you want.

    I think you are going to have to seriously sacrifice at least some of your wish list.

    Make your mind up which priorities are the most important.

    The majority of great low-light scopes suitable for air rifles that don't cost silly money have a plain plex ret, mil dot or BDC

    If you can live with less low light performance you can include the ret options you like and perhaps side focus as well on the same unit.

    The Bushnell Legend Ultra HD scopes offer side focus down to air rifle range and they have excellent low light performance, but they don't come in the ret you want.

    I place low light performance and low weight over other priorities so I use the Nikon Prostaff at under half the weight of your current scope. I also use Vortex Diamondback and Bushnell Legend Ultra HD for the same reasons. Some of my Legends are fixed mag plain ret scopes and I can knock nails in with them, so ask yourself what do you need versus what do you want.

    None of my air rifle scopes have side focus or the ret you want but I can still hunt long after most other scopes have given it up as a bad job. A good half hour after the likes of Hawke Panorama and most MTC scopes I've tried, I can still be head shooting rabbits and pigeons :)

    Make your mind up which of your priorities are the most important and start shortlisting based on that.

    I'll end with this - every time I have my guns at the range and let others use them, they always comment on the clarity, bright sight picture and fine reticle of my scopes. At 30 yards I use map pins or pellet holes as targets, even with my springers, but you will find that not all scopes at lower mag can even 'see' a pellet hole or map pin head without having to zoom right in. Most of them cover such a small target completely with their thicker ret.

    All scopes are a trade-off of features, so figure out which ones are the most vital to you and go from there.

    Your rig is anything but heavy though - if you can hit what you aim at with it, think carefully before moving things around because every time you sell on you make a loss and end up spending more to replace what you already have.

    Welcome to air rifle shooting :rolleyes:

    :)
     
  14. PhoenixElite

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    wow thanks for all the help guys, you have suggested scopes I havent even heard of so I will looking them up!

    Tim, cheers for the offer might take you up on that in a week or 2, we need to get you back out to the farm as well, rabbits running rampant! I also picked up another golfcourse permission haha almost to many now!

    177, you make some very valid points! I really dont like my recticle because of the chunky lines and centre dot now after using my mates fine line map6a..

    So i NEED lighter than 600grams-44 or 40 not 50- fine line recticle thats not to complicated-low light performance
    and i WANT -IR-SF-sun shade-map6a

    And dont know about fixed 10x :)

    but I will be looking at all the scopes suggested cheers boys and girls!
     
  15. Tim_B

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    Thanks Jon - I don't know how you do it as I have only a small permission but struggle to get the time to go out there....although it is restricted to evening/night shooting. Well done on the new golf course as well :up:

    For the Prostaffs, they only fulfil your needs, not your wants. I will weigh them just to make sure. The BDC reticle is good has it has the hollow circles, so it doesn't disrupt the view too much. The mil dot is pretty thin.

    Hope the little one is doing ok and your not having too many sleepless nights.
    Cheers
    Tim
     

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