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Advice Walther Winchester Vs Umarex Cowboy Rifle

Discussion in 'Air Pistols' started by Headhunter, Nov 27, 2019.

  1. Headhunter

    Headhunter Never enough shell loading Revolvers

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    Now before anybody starts giving me grief, I know that I have asked for advice about a rifle in the pistol section but as most owners of these rifles are probably going to be 'avid' members of the pistol forum rather than followers of the regular air rifle threads and it's CO2 powered the same as most, if not all of the replica airguns. Explanation over, moving forward.....

    I know that there are quite a few forum members that own a Winchester, @CaptDAR & @Wild Bill spring to mind, I would love to hear there expert opinions on the rifle, pros & cons, for & against etc.. I know that the Walther version uses a 88gm CO2 but can be fitted with an aftermarket adapter to allow you to use 12gm CO2 capsules, have you guys got that fitted ? if so, how's that working out ? I guess that the power (fps) would be roughly the same as it's just CO2 after all and the pressure doesn't change from a 12gm to a 88gm canister it's just the size of the reservoir that has changed, so obviously the shot count is reduced in the 12gm version. Do the adapters take one or two 12 CO2 capsules ? Have you had any problems with them, eg. leaking or loading ? Are they the same in respect to the threaded neck end so that you don't have to use all the CO2 in one go and can be removed for latter use ?
    Now the Umarex Cowboy rifle, I adore the idea of ejecting spent shells but therein lies the problem, in the real steel version they are quite literally 'spent empty shells', no need to forage around and retrieve them, but in the Umarex version your left scrambling about for them as they are re-usable, the idea that they might end up dented and deformed does worry me, especially as I use them in three other revolvers, if they end up deformed that badly that they will not sit right in the cylinder of a revolver that may well cause damage to the inner barrel lip of the revolver. Again, any members experiences would be greatly appreciated, am I worrying too much ? Or is it a well founded fear ? I don't want to buy a Winchester if I can only use it indoors on a carpeted area to protect my expelled shell casings, seems stupid.
    How accurate are they both ? The Walther version has a rifled barrel whereas the Umarex is smooth bore, I would be using pellets in both anyway, but does barrel differences change the accuracy that much ? A rifled barrel should yield far better accuracy through in flight pellet stability and I would like to think that I would be using it for 15-20m targets, maybe even 25m.
    I know that there is a scope mount that can be attached to the Walther version too, anybody out there got one ? or used one ? Seen one fitted ?

    Thanks in advance for any help you can give......:)
     
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  2. Andy_J

    Andy_J co2 Replica Airgun collector

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    Yes as you know I have a Walther Winchester. And yes I do use both the 88g co2 and the Walther 12g co2 adaptor. I find the it seems more powerful with the 88g cylinder but that could be a placebo effect. With the 88g I get about 300 to 400 shots. With the 12g adaptor I get about 60 shots and it does take two cylinders.

    Quite accurate out to 25 mtrs but that is my limit due to garden size. I have handled the cheap version and it does look nice but no weight and no wood. I would still have one for my collection though as it looks great. I only use the open sights as I would never ever spoil the look of a western rifle. I do find the shoulder reach a bit much but nothing to write home about.

    I also prefer the loading/magazine system. The mags are the standard umarex revolver type, cheap as chips and having 6 or so ready loaded is great and dead easy to load fast. The lever system is strong and positive. But the weight of it is what did it for me as the ejector version, as nice as it is is too plasticky in comparison. It is putting out over 6ft lbs. Good enough for plinking and target work.


    I might be selling it soon to fund something else though. ;)

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  3. garryt

    garryt Posting Addict

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    I've owned neither, but shot the non shell ejecting one a few times.
    I'd agree with all Bill has said. Surprisingly accurate and appear well made. Trigger is nice as well.
    The nickel one has the best wearing finish. These run at a respectable 5-6 ft lbs as well.

    Shell ejecting one is a nice idea, but I think it would drive me batty finding and picking up the cartridges all the time.
     
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  4. gingernut

    gingernut Posting Addict

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    I have both.
    And a couple of the early 2 12 grm co2 models.

    The 88 gram is expensive but is a fine accurate rifle as far as you can see to shoot it.
    Lother Walther barrel.
    They do blow up after a few years and are a bogger to fix.
    Having said that John Rothery can sort them now.
    Had my silver one done last week.

    The shell ejector is cheaper but looks and operates very well.
    Uses a better co2 system.
    BB ,but tin cans up to 30 yards aren't safe which is what these are for.

    I object to my thumb being nipped on loading but some real ones do this too.
    I wear a glove.
    You can control the ejection but I stand on a ground sheet so the shells stay clean and near.
    Having said that I get carried away and a couple always end up in the dust!

    Ejector is way more fun than the serious 88gram one.
    I haven't lost or damaged any shells yet but I do clean them if they land in the dirt.
     
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  5. cruisingaround

    cruisingaround shooting my load

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    Just watched a video on the umarex cowboy rifle, looks great and will fire pellets, what's not to like :thumb:
     
  6. CaptDAR

    CaptDAR Always count your shots and your adversary’s

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    I’ve got the nickel and wood version.
    I purchased the capsule adapter instead of using the 88s and get a good string of 112 shots. It’s a fun gun and certainly accurate out to 25 yards. The only real negative I’ve found is if you are cycling the lever very quickly you can damage the 8 shot magazine little drive spalls which then makes them useless.
     
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  7. Andy_J

    Andy_J co2 Replica Airgun collector

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    Just the hollow plastic stock. That's all. :thumb:
     
  8. cruisingaround

    cruisingaround shooting my load

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    Perhaps! but still doesn't look plastic, i think i might be making a second purchase sometime soon, it would be rude not to :D
     
  9. Andy_J

    Andy_J co2 Replica Airgun collector

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    It looks great, it honestly does but it's light and sounds hollow. For the right price I would have one myself.
     
  10. cruisingaround

    cruisingaround shooting my load

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    Some freebies thrown in to sweeten the deal would help, extra shells etc.
     
  11. Andy_J

    Andy_J co2 Replica Airgun collector

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    My local gunshop has one in right now. £199 with 10 free co2 and some pellets or BB's thrown in.
     
  12. cruisingaround

    cruisingaround shooting my load

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    Which shop? if not too far it could be worth a visit.
     
  13. Andy_J

    Andy_J co2 Replica Airgun collector

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    cruisingaround shooting my load

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    Andy_J co2 Replica Airgun collector

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    Just had a look at their prices. Very good. They have the steel grey Schofield for £120. Bargain. My current favourite pistol.

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  16. TalinMoracius

    TalinMoracius Arch nemesis of Colonel Heinz

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    I’ve got the Umarex ejecting rifle and it’s a lot of fun. It also uses the same BB shells as the colt .45, so I like setting up 20 targets, take out 11 (10+1) with the Winchester then resort to the peacemaker to take out the rest, with a reload needed. The game is to do see how fast you can do it from 10 paces. Reloading the peacemaker takes practice but you can get quite quick. I’ve found it gets quite addictive!
     
  17. cruisingaround

    cruisingaround shooting my load

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    I've had to stop looking i am in serious danger of acquiring an armoury :D
     
  18. cruisingaround

    cruisingaround shooting my load

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    Pellpax have them in stock and a bit cheaper, going to ring them tomorrow and see if they will add it to my current order and see if i can get something thrown in for free :thumb:
     
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  19. CaptDAR

    CaptDAR Always count your shots and your adversary’s

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    Wish I lived in Sheffield I’d have that but it’s not a bargain when I would have to pay theirs and my RFD handling fees.
     
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    oedbachgen Top Poster

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    I have one Headhunter:cool:, be careful if you do get one as the rear sight hight adjuster can fall out easy, this happened to mine, I made a little wooden dowel to stop this recurring. And I have the adaptor to take the two 12 gram cart which works great. Didn't like the plastic rear stock Co2 cover look so I found a bit of leather made a template using the back of the stock as a outline, another bit of leather cut to make the fringe, then hand sewn. Been thinking of getting the plastic stock one has I do like the ejecting shells mechanism.

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