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Vpo-209 In The Uk?

Discussion in 'Firearms Certificate (FAC) Guns' started by c4four, Jul 7, 2018.

  1. c4four

    c4four Active Member

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    In case you are unaware, the VPO-209 is a civilian AK, with a smoothbore barrel designed so that it can be owned in Russia under a shotgun license. Could this be owned under FAC as a semi-auto shotgun here and would there be issues with importing it?
     
  2. rich79

    rich79 No deep or funny comment here

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    As long as the barrel length is OK then I don't see a problem with the law side, could comment on importing it though, try googling for a Saiga ak shotgun or Russian military outdoors.
     
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    How would you get a variation for it ??
    What use would you give.
    With shot not much use beyond 15 yards.

    I can’t think of any target use that would get a variation for a 30 cal shotgun as a slug gun.
    Getting a variation for its special bullets / slugs would be TOUGH.
     
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    "The VPO-209 shotgun is produced by converting surplus Kalashnikov AKM assault rifles to semi-automatic only, and re-barreling with new smooth-bore barrel of .366 (9.55mm) nominal caliber with last 120mm being rifled (so called “Paradox” bore). Magazines are modified from standard 3o-round 7.62mm AKM magazines by restricting capaity to 10 rounds and modifying feed path for a wider cartridge case"


    If the above is correct and they are manufactured from a gun that was once a S5 "Rifle" then no.

    They have to be produced from scratch as a S1 Shotgun, in fact inspections have concluded that a seperate production line altogether be used for something to conform to UK law.
     
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    If they have a rifled section in the bore as your link says ( paradox )even if they are built from scratch as a shotgun that would still make the prohibited here and you could not just bore out that section of bore as you say.
    The paradox section could just be a choke??
     
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    I was under the impression that the law regarding converting guns only applied if the conversion took place inside of the UK (perhaps a stupid assumption).
     
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    just get an akm instead - prob easier to get variation for tbh, my akm is cleared for range use and aolq inc fox, it is after all just a 7.62mm rifle :thumb:
     
  10. c4four

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    most people don't have a section 5 licence...
     
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    i dont either, mines a straight pull :thumb:
     
  12. Spray1Mark

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    If you stick with a S1 shotgun idea, then the barrel must be at least 24" which IMO makes them look stupid! the VEPR being the best looking of the lot.

    A 10 shot Beretta 1301 is not only a better gun it's half the price (and length LOL).

    Much better as above to just get one in straight pull 7.62 (too late for a Mars now I suspect).
     
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    rich79 No deep or funny comment here

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    I thought you meant the normal ak shotgun! Looking at it I doubt very much you'd be allowed to have one because of 2-3 things already mentioned, I take it this firearm can actually chamber a 7.62x39 round? That in itself would be a sec5 no no.
     
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    Yes, they would need to be made from non assembled parts and have a completely smooth bore of 24" minimum.
     
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    darklord Can’t beat a tx200 at 30m

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    NRA released a mail last week saying that MARS are expected to be banned very shortly when the bill is passed. So if they’re saying it it’s gonna happen.
     

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