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Varmint, Mamba Lite or Viper Connect?

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Cymru-Dave, Jul 14, 2014.

  1. Cymru-Dave

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    I'm looking for a new scope ahead of time for the HW100 I'm going to order, I like the Hawke Varmint on my S400 and have only used Hawke scopes but I've read some threads where the similarly speccd MTC Mamba Lite is streets ahead in all areas (accept price) which has me thinking about one of those... Then there's the curve ball of the Viper Connect £100 more than the varmint and £70 more than the Mamba Lite, I like the concept of this scope and don't mind the price, I know it's down to me but interested to hear your thoughts, is the Viper Connect worth it over the Varmint and Mamba Lite?

    The only thing I'm unsure on is the look of the connect on the rifle due to the short eye relief, some people say it's the best scope they've ever used.

    Scope will be used for targets and an increasing amount of hunting as perms present themselves.

    cheers
     
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  2. Kenbarcon

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    I have the Varmint and like it a lot, i also had a look at gantongunners Connect and the ret is very fine and so can get lost in the image, but it does give a very good wide view and clarity was very good. Would i pay an extra £80 for it, not so sure.
     
  3. Ganton Gunner

    Ganton Gunner Super Duper Moderator Staff Member Mod/Admin

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    I did pay the extra for a connect and don't regret it 1 bit :up:
     
  4. milek

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    I have a new Varmint and I am overly-impressed with it. I have owned three Vipers and streets ahead they are not, in any area; I find them adequate at best but nothing that would put them ahead of the Varmint. If the varmint had the map6a ret I would lose my Panorama's today.
     
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    Here's my ten pennorth :)

    I use Mamba Lite's for hunting, nice and light, no illuminated ret to fiddle with and work great with my NV kit. I got shot down on another forum for saying this, but in all honesty the glass in the MTC is not the best - it does grey out at high mag sometimes. Having said that its a small price to pay for a nice spec'd hunting scope, I just avoid using 12 mag if the light is fading.

    Sadly I don't get on with Hawkes at all - even the Sidewinders I have ! Must be my eyes as everyone else seems to like them.

    The connect is a nice bit of kit but you have to be happy putting your eyebrow right up to the scope. Some people can't get on with it. But the FOV is great and the glass seems to be a step up from the Mamba range.

    The other one worth a look is the Bushnell Legend Ultra HD - the glass is very clear, lovely sight picture and no grey or distortion. Downside is the mil-dot ret which is a bit basic and blobby (IMHO). Having been using a cheap springer with an SMK 30/30 ret scope I'm now wondering if I need fancy rets at all :D
     
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    Ganton Gunner Super Duper Moderator Staff Member Mod/Admin

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    the highlighted bit puts the mambas in a different class to other scopes mentioned they are without doubt one of the best scopes going to be used with NV
     
  7. critter

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    I would recommend the mamba lite 4-16x44, Glass is average at these price scopes but the scb reticle ticks most of the boxes that you require it for. I find it great for hunting and also comes with covers which are a bonus. There is one in the sales section with mounts so should be worth a look.
     
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    I can only comment on the MTC's I have never tried a Varmint so out of the 2 for me it would be the Mamba Lite it's a no nonsense excellent scope for the money the Viper Connect is one of them marmite scopes you either love it or hate it although a top piece of kit I found myself holding my head in a unnatural position to get the best image just a personal thing

    good look with your choice
     
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    I have a Mamba Lite & use it without any 'tinkering' for day & night hunting see_here 12 mag, 'you must have a very steady hand' again I use x 4 mag works for me hth ............ :coffee:

    ps my Varmint II sits in the gun cupboard.
     
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    I was so impressed with the varmint that I've now got them on all 3 of my rifles, don't think you can beat them for the price.
     
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    I had tried several varmints (mid last year) and was dissapointed by them all,opting for an MTC Viper (I would have also considered a sidewinder)
     
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    I have a mamba and a mamba lite and I prefer these to the £300 sidewinder I have sat in my cupboard.
     
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    I must say I am impressed with my varmint, I couldn't believe the difference until I went back to my other hawke £100 scopes, the varmint picture and ret was crystal but then I don't have anything to compare them too, I would like to try an MTC but the mamba lite is £40 more than the varmint. Seems both scopes have their fans, seems it'll be between the Varmint and the Mamba Lite.
     
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    Got a varmint and tried the mtc on a mates gun , preference the varmint but that could just be my strange eyes !:eek:
     
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    Had the varmint niteeye and other hawk scopes but didnt like em .then had the mamba and the viper which I liked but wasnt very good in low lite but had the connect about a year now and ticks all the boxes for me .best all round scope iv had atb
     
  16. Cymru-Dave

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    What are your pros and cons for the connect mate?
     
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    Pro's for me....short eye relief .wide fov .very good lenses .very good in low lite .nice compact scope
    Cons .for me the one is when your walking on a cold winters nite and yout hot the rear lense does fog up because of the eye relief but abit of glass polish sorts that atb
     
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  18. Jafleming123

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    i agree with whats being said about the mambas, i keep my mambas and vipers on 10x zoom and they are fine any higher and they do grey out, however i think hawke optics are to date the best scope i have looked through other than a friends smidt and bender scope (rediculously over priced). the hawkes are priced well and i think you cant go wrong with a varmint or panorama for hunting, the sports hd are even good for the money

    hope this helps :))

    why dont you go into a high end gun shop and try them out on dummy stocks or even take your rifle your planning on mounting it on to get the feel for them :)

    atb Jonathan
     
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  19. Jonnymac

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    I have a varmint Mk1 and a Viper. I also have a Hawke sport.
    The next scope I buy for hunting will be a Mamba lite. You do get a little whiting out at high mags with MTC, but they are still so much better than Hawke's. It takes me so much longer to get a good view down my Hawke scopes.
     
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    Gutted, thought i had made my mind up on trying a connect but im not sure again after this thread.
    atb Terry
     

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