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Ussr Made Baikal Ij-22

Discussion in 'Vintage collectable airguns' started by DrGunn, Nov 2, 2019.

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    I recently acquired an old and slightly battered air rifle as a project. I didn’t know anything about it at the time apart from the fact it was made in the USSR which intrigued me. A little searching once I got it home revealed its a .177, 1970s Baikal ij-22.
    It has plastic medallions set into the stock above the trigger and a lever operated barrel catch.
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    It had obviously had no attention for a long time, it is missing both front stock mounting screws, had light surface rust and the stock finish is flaking off. The missing screws prevent me from testing it so I’ve stripped it down for a clean and inspection. A quick rub with oil and wire wool removed all the surface rust and the blueing is remarkably well presented for something which looked so neglected. Internally it was very dry and the leather seal didn’t look great, with a bit of oil I think it should be ok though. Otherwise the action looks pretty good and it shouldn’t need anything other than a good clean and re-lube.

    I will find some suitable screws to fix the stock and will machine up a replacement screw cup to replace the missing one. The stock looks awful and needs re-finished but I’m not sure how I should finish it. As far as I can tell these were finished with a reddish varnish. My preference would’ve to re-finish with oil but I’m not sure which colour I should stain it first - should I try to achieve the original reddish colour or go for a more traditional brown? What do people think?
     
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    Hi, it depends on what your plans are for it afterwards, keeping or selling?if it's getting sold on not worth spending to much time and money on it.
     
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    That’s a good question... I have no idea what I’ll do with it once it’s fixed.
    I brought it as a project as I enjoy fixing up old springers.

    I’ve cleaned, lubed and reassembled the action, it’s actually very well made - better than a lot of newer guns I’ve worked on.
     
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    Most of the old ones are better by far, I fix up a lot of old springers,some are easy to move on and some not so, these days I don't go to far on restoration unless it's something nice or unusual ,or I end up getting stuck with them.
     
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    I have accumulated quite a few as I rarely get around to trying to move them on. I might have to try and sell some at some point though as I’m starting to run out of space...
     
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    I have an outlet for most of my cheap and cheerfull stuff once it's tidy and working,relums and suchlike unless very cheap don't move too quickly, found that meteors sell best.
     
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    I've just dismantled an action from one that had a smashed piston (came out in 4 pieces) Got trigger bits etc if you need them. stock went on the barby. Sawed the barrel up and used it to make a new barrel assembly for a Hubertus and line a Schofield to give it some rifling. What did surprise me is that the barrel is fitted with a brass rifled liner, very neatly done.

    One thing I have found out about Soviet stuff is that it is always well engineered and functional but the target orientated production they worked under seems to make corner cutting compulsory. It's the bits you can't see that they skimped on, especially heat treatment. nowt wrong with the steel used or the machining.
     
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    I believe the piston is cast steel - I can see why it could fail it’s its not properly heat treated. The only thing I’m missing is the front stock screws - everything else is present and in pretty good condition considering it’s age.

    I’ll strip the stick soon and then decide what what finish to give it.
     
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    Sadly, no stock screws with mine as it came in 2 big bits after sitting in a shed for years. can't even determine the screw size as the air cylinder went to the scrappy a couple of weeks ago.
     
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    I think the front stock screws are 4 or 5 mm.
    I did a stock on one that came up very well. The hard bit was trying to get all the original stain out! The wood is very white. There was some stain that wouldn't come out----so I striped the stock with a blowlamp then dabbed 2 colours of stain on it and did it with linseed oil.
    If NORM is reading --he might vouch for how it looked.
    Fred--you burnt a stock!!!!! You know what will happen now?--an action will need one! If you dont have plans, please put the trigger to one side for me. No harm in having a spare--especially when you cannot get the bits.
     
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    I have plenty of metric screws so sorting these out won’t be a problem.

    What colour did you finish the stock - did you try to match the original reddish colour?
     
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    I can confirm that on my recent visit to the Welsh airgun museum...:p...I did indeed see a very nice Baikal with a particularly well figured stock...i've had a couple of these well made airguns over the years...they don't compare to the old German stuff but should get some respect as there isn't that many around these days:up:
     
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    I’ll make sure i make the stock more presentable then.
     
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    Trigger, sear , springs , cocking lever, locking lever , breech pivot and a few screws are in my junk box. You are welcome to them. I'll put them aside for you. There have been a few reasonable condition ones for sale recently. I think Cheshire gun room had one in their projects section for £30 last week and there was one on freeads in Norwich for £20. I don't think they are uncommon or rare, plenty about.
     
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    I didnt try to match the original colour. Like I said --I marked it with a clow lamp and used 2 different colours of stain (It might have actually been 1 but diluted for some of it) . It is a lovely stock though. If you strip yours it may be white like the ones I've seen. Not worth gong to the trouble if you are going to sell it on but worth it if it is a keeper. They are lovely little guns.
     
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    I finally got back to the IJ 22. It took a fair bit of sanding to get the red stain off, underneath the stock is very white - looks like Birch.

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    I stained it with what I had handy, I think this stain is a bit old and isn’t as dark as it should be though. I turned up some new screw cups and stock screws so all back together now. It shoots but not very consistently, the piston and breach seals didn’t look too bad but may need more attention. The barrel is very tight, every pellet I’ve tried has been a challenge to seat. Will fiddle with it more at some point and might darken the stock a bit more. It’s a lot better than it was when I picked it up though.

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    They are usually VERY accurate little plinkers--but most pellets are tight in them. It doesnt look like yours has scope rails? So it must be an early one.
    Often I find guns that have been stripped need about 150-200 shots through them to settle.
     
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    Thanks, it’s useful to know that it’s not just mine that’s a bit tight. No it doesn’t have a scope rail, fortunately the open sights are present and in excellent condition. I’ll keep playing with it and see if it settles. Any suggestion of pellets it might like?
     
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    As I only use cheap pellets, I guess I've probably used Milbro Caledonians, Marksmen and Bulldog/ Smk Spitfires, which despite their reputation, some guns seem to like for plinking.
    If I speak to my mate tonight I'll ask what he uses.
    Just a thought---Apart from changing the breech seal which is a simple fix, Is the mainspring ok? I've found the accuracy on some low powered guns really goes to pot when the mainspring is on it's last legs.
    I'd be tempted to just put another 100 cheapest pellets through it and then change the breech seal and try another 50 , before looking at anything else.
     
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    I normally get given loads of old pellets with the old wrecks that I buy and use them for testing and running in,milbro Caledonians are my favorite for this.:thumb:
     
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