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Use Of Archaic Terms

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by BallisticBill, Jan 1, 2020.

  1. FPoole

    FPoole Posting Addict

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    Scrag, as in to scrag a spring.
     
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    I thought lock time related to the amount of time passed whilst fumbling with your keys trying to gain access to the house after a few bevvies on a Friday night?
    :shrug:
     
  3. jaisalmere

    jaisalmere Disappointed by sorbet

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    There are lots of navy ones in general parlance, square meal, squared away, son of a gun, letting the cat out of the bag, on the fiddle,grind to a halt, hold at bay , The brass monkey
    is the best though, It doesn't have anything to do with testicals or monkeys
     
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    As per the Ecologist post,
    I've always believed the term fettling to be removing of rough edges or rough surface to smooth things out to run better and smoother.
    To be in fine fettle.
    A lot of phrases and terms are adapted to move with the times. Like lock time, matchlocks were lever operated and not a locking lock at all. Pull squeeze trigger lever to dip smouldering match into powder pan. How quickly you squeeze or pull.
    Now on flintlocks a true locking action they wouldn't be able to measure such a quick time back in the day. Today the time from activating the trigger mechanism to projectiles leaving the barrel.
    Rifle from the term for scratch/graze name given to guns with grooved barreles. Known before as muskets or long guns. Really all grooved barrel guns should be rifles including pistols.
     
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  5. Hiram

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    Not much delay in a Mauser action but whatever delay there is from the time of the trigger break to the ignition of the charge is still lock time. And the shorter the lock time the better. Peter Paul Mauser upgraded the bolt action M96's cock on closing design to the M98's cock on opening design in order to shorten the lock time (part of the reason for the upgrade, anyway).
     
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    BSA

    It used to mean good quality British rifles.
     
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    Expert.
     
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    Calling bullets rounds. They havent been round for a long time except blackpowder shooters.
     
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    not airgun related, but in the old west, whiskey was paid for with ammunition, so a shot of whisky = 1 x 45lc round,
    and measured amount ,1 flo oz was given. the term "shot of whiskey" carried on being used.
     
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    urine was used for tanning animal hides, and a couple of hundred years ago the ''not so well off' families all used to pee in a pot.
    every day one of the kids would be sent round the tanning house to sell, for a small fee, the contents of the pot.
    families who did this were called ''pi$$ poor'' :)
     
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    Also so poor they haven't got a pot to pi $$ in
    Another navy one, waisters, people who where unable to climb the rigging so had to stay in the waist of the ship and of course swinging the lead
     
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    Wild Bill co2 Pistol Enthusiast & Western fan

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    I thought it meant 'bloody sore ars.e'
     
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    Not sure why you think they've been corrupted?

    Lock time still generally refers to the time absorbed by the guns 'lockwork' before the projectile leaves the muzzle. If anything we have 'fettled' it as I seriously doubt the originators of the term were actually capable of measuring the lock time in any quantifiable way.

    Fettling has always to my knowledge been applied to the act of taking something in rough form to something more presentable...where is the bastardisation? (Note the use of the 's' instead of your bastardised Americanism.) :p:D
     
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    There is one navy term, still used today, peculiar only to Portsmouth “to get off at Fratton” most service personnel traveled by train, there are two main stations in Pompey, Fratton and The harbour station or just “the Hard” when Sailors or anyone else In Portsmouth was “with a lady” To try and stop unwanted pregnancies, jolly jack Tarr used to ........... pull out, before it was too late, so “get off at Fratton “ the station before the end of the line.
     
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    Quad bike!!! Four and two? Oxymoron.
    In USA sometimes called ATV or all terrain vehicles. Off roader. Particular to Alaska they are called three/four wheelers, abbreviated to wheelers. I just call them quads.
     
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    Antique or vintage as with old cars should be scrapped o_O
     
  17. BallisticBill

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    I did say "lost/corrupted/bastardized" as options not synonyms so I didn't think anything had been corrupted, but did think they had been bastardized (even though I normally prefer to use your spelling).

    In my defence, according to Grammarist (admittedly an American publication),
    " In fact, the -ize spelling variant is older than –ise... ize predates the United States and has been the preferred spelling throughout most of the word’s history in English.... ise had a brief ascendancy in British English from the late 19th century through the early 20th, but ize was preferred before around 1875 and is again preferred today—perhaps because of the influence of dictionaries like Oxford, Cambridge, and Collins, which encourage -ize over -ise.

    But the British preference for -ize is not in evidence when we search for the two spellings in 21st-century British news publications, where -ise is about ten times as common as -ize. We have trouble explaining this, but perhaps it’s simply that a few influential British news organizations have collectively adopted the newer spelling, while most of the publishers of books and journals (including prestigious British scientific periodicals such as Nature and The Lancet) in Google’s Books index have kept –ize. The favoring [sic :eek:] of -ise may also have something to do with a decline in classical education; with Latin and Greek no longer mainstays of British schooling, their influence on English is weakening (-ize has its origins in Ancient Greek). ;)
     

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