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Upgrade From .177/.22 To .25 Or .30 Fac

Discussion in 'Firearms Certificate (FAC) Guns' started by Thynne, Mar 29, 2019.

  1. Thynne

    Thynne Active Member

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    With great respect, I wonder if i could ask the experts on here who have real world experience of different FAC calibres whether it is worth upgrading from FAC .177 at 18 ftlbs and .22 at 28 ftlbs. to .25 or .30 at suitable power? I have currently vacant slots on my open FAC for both .25 and .30.

    I have the huge privilege of living in deep countryside and in particular on the edge of several thousand acres of woodland. Net result, is usually 100 to 200 + squirrels per winter. Most on feeders set approximately 30 yards from my bedroom window.

    The fact that nearly every squirrel shot I take is more or less identical has got me thinking....
    The .177 at 18 ftlbs is simply fantastic (Daystate Regal, unbelievably accurate and consistent). The .22 is almost as perfect (.22 FAC FX Royale 400 at 28 ftlbs, although I notice that its different magazines shift the POA significantly).

    However, bizarrely, I notice more 'runners' with the 28ftlb .22 than the 18ftlb .177. All shots are taken with great care and aiming for the brain stem. In this respect it is worth mentioning that I had an FX Verminator .177 Mk 1 shooting at approximately 23 ftlbs and it led to several distressing episodes where I accurately head shot squirrels that almost seemed not to even notice that they had been 'killed'. I think this is what people mean when they talk about 'over-penetration'....basically they were drilled, but did not, as logic would suggest, just lie down and die. It is a weird one and has to be seen to be believed, hard to describe, distressing for any caring countryman, but sometimes too much power seems to work against you.

    My question for the experts on here is this.... I am more interested in very clean kills than anything else. Would .25 or even the massive .30 be worth investing in compared to a very well considered, planned and practiced, .177 or .22? ( I do have the option of powder in .22LR and .17HMR, but let's discount them as it would that would be no fun at all)!

    Essentially I am asking if .25 and .30 produce those 'lights out' type kills that FAC .177 and .22 will do, when perfectly placed, but do so more consistently or in some 'better'way? In other words, do .25 or .30 allow you to be slightly less accurate but whilst being confident of a clean, painless, kill? I always take head shots but would a H&L shot in .25 or .30 stop a squirrel within say 10 yards?

    Basically, is it worth moving up from .22 to .25 or .30, and why?
     
  2. Jemsbro

    Jemsbro Engaging Member

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    You’ll rarely get a ‘lights out’ type kill whatever you’re using. A few years ago I headshot a rabbit with the .17HMR at about 65 yards. It kicked & jumped for so long I thought I had wounded it & ran over before it could escape. When I got to it there was literally nothing recognisable from the neck up.
    Personally I think .22 fac fills the gap between sub 12ft & rimfire quite nicely. Much over 40ftlb air you may as well go .22lr.

    DOI. I do not consider myself any sort an expert!
     
  3. Lesley walmesley

    Lesley walmesley Nite hunter

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    Imo you can’t beat .25 .
    I have mine running@ 47 ft/lbs with AA fields 25.4gr and it imo safer than .22lr
    Just waiting for my slug barrel to come and should be able to run it somewhere around 65-70 ft/lbs
     
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  4. The burpster

    The burpster Posting Addict

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    ^^^this. If you have a specific purpose for .25 or .3 air (and in order for these to be viable you ought to go for high output otherwise there is little advantage over .22), then go with it or indeed stay with it. Otherwise you might as well get into one of the rf rounds. I am certainly now a fan of .22 at 25-30ft/lbs but above that then rf is much less faff!
     
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  5. darklord

    darklord Can’t beat a tx200 at 30m

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    I looked at .30 when I was going for fac air found it was cheaper to shoot powder as cost of pelletsnwas stupid

    .25 was then a thought, in the end I just opted for a third .22 lr as there was nothing init
     
  6. Lesley walmesley

    Lesley walmesley Nite hunter

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    Trouble is with 22lr know way you can take vertical shots like you can with .25 pellet
     
  7. The burpster

    The burpster Posting Addict

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    What’s the difference between firing a 34gn pellet at 40ft/lbs and a .22CBLong (29gn at 35ft/lbs) vertically.....?
     
  8. Lesley walmesley

    Lesley walmesley Nite hunter

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    22lr round will bounce around a lot more than a pellet
     
  9. no country members

    no country members Tooled up tool

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    said the famous Irish airgunner Rick O'Shea....














    I'll get me coat....:facepalm:
     
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  10. Teuchter Boy

    Teuchter Boy Busy Member

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    I have both 22 and 25 in fac and find I use the 22 the most. Don't get me wrong, 25 is fantastic and you can shoot out to much greater distances with it, however I find it quite easy to get within 50 yards of airgun quarry and at this distance they are equally dead at 30ftlbs as they are at 46ftlbs. Also getting almost 110 shots at 30ftlbs in 22, whereas shot count not quite so good at 25. I have actually been thinking about trying 177 fac air for shooting into trees, it sounds like 18ftlb does the job for the op. In short, 22 fine for most things at fac levels but hey, who am I to stop you getting a new toy and fac air in 25 opens up much more in terms of range.
     
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  11. Spray1Mark

    Spray1Mark NOW PERMANENTLY BORED!

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    Can't wait to get my 30FPE Bluewolf, stocking up on the 16g .177 JSB Beast as we speak!
     
  12. metalman

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    .25 FAC air gives you plenty of opportunity for body shots
     
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  13. Riddmeister

    Riddmeister Airgun Nut

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    ^^^^^ this.

    I also run a .22 Artemis P15 at 18.5 fpe and this is a good compromise, because it allows you more opportunities to take aerial shots than a .25 or .30 running at 50 to 80 fpe.
     
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    Chris Werb Engaging Member

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    Are CB Longs available in the UK?
     
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    Popgun Donator

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    try a search engine
     
  16. The burpster

    The burpster Posting Addict

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    Yep! :thumb:
     
  17. metalman

    metalman Big Poster

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    But are they accurate, that is the question?
     
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    What pellets are you using?
    At 30yds most FAC pellets will pass straight through, your .25/.30 will make a bigger hole, might not be dumping energy any better.
    I'd guess heavy .177s would deform or tumble on impact more than a 16gr .22?

    I've found 18gr knock pigeons out of the trees to 80+with body shots whilst 16s pass straight through and I have to walk another 50yds to pick up.
     
  19. The burpster

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    Depends what barrel you shoot them out of. My main use is with a FinnFire and yes they are, similar quality barrels will chuck em out like any other sub. Chuck em from a crap barrel or one that likes quick or heavier bullets then no.
     

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