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Under £100 springer pistol for my grandson?

Discussion in 'Air Pistols' started by Dag, Mar 15, 2014.

  1. Dag

    Dag Pro Poster

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    My grandson, a big lad of 21, likes my ZVP ( before it packed up) and I'd like to buy him a .177 springer pistol, accurate for say 10-15yds plus if possible and with hopefully the potential for fitting a scope or red dot device .
    I've got a max of £100 and would love to hear any suggestions from members who can recommend such a beast. I definitely do not want a PCP or CO2 gun it must be a springer.
    I know it's not a massive budget but I could stretch it to about £130. Any thoughts chaps?
    Dag
     
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    You should be able to pick up a nice second hand HW45 for that money. Not many other spring powered pistols about that will be as good if any.The BSA 240 magnum is also a nice gun but a bit 'marmite' for most, though I myself prefer it over the 45.

    John:)
     
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    For the money your looking to spend, a secondhand Webley pistol would be a good choice.

    You don't see many Hw45's for around £130.
     
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    See if you can find a Gamo Center, they go for around £80 and are a good comp springer with not a lot of flip for a springer.
    Also easy to cock.

    PS, A good trigger too.
    atb
    Bri
     
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    I have 2 pistols that I would be willing to sell either

    Rare BSA 240 magnum .22 £130 fantastic condition
    webley tempest .22 £100 good condition

    would have to do F2F as I have been burnt in the past, willing to meet half way as only in Wiltshire
     

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    Forgot to say, if you Intend having a go at 10 & 6 mtr target comps, stick to .177

    atb
    Bri
     
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    Just sent you a PM, I may be able to help.
     
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    I would go for a Webley Tempest, used.

    I really can't speak highly enough of mine, which I bought in the late '80's!

    Takes some cocking, but once you have the knack...

    a dot of lume paint each side of the rear sight and on the back of the front sight and you have a set of three dot sights.

    If you must have a red dot, the Hurricane will do that...


    You can get wood grips if you want to spoil him.

    He's a lucky lad.
     
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    Thanks for that suggestion Chris. One problem I find with many of the pistols around is that they seem to have such a low power level. I can understand with rifles that being 1or 1.5 ftlb below the legal limit is quite acceptable but so many pistols seem to be around 3ftlb which is half the legal limit. I guess there must be a good reason why, perhaps recoil?
    Dag
     
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    have a look at the webley typhoon .177, about £70/80 new.
     
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    Some have weak internals because they are made to a much lower price than rifles and it's hard getting so much power into a very small space,a HW45 is pretty powerful but why do you want spring? SSP's are just as accurate as PCPs with no recoil and are self sufficient.
     
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    I was thinking a SSP as well - like a Beeman P3 or P17. They are up there power wise, no recoil and no CO2 - only £70 new so you'll get a red dot sight as well and still come in under £100.00
     
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    My P17 clocked in at around 1.75 ft lbs but the accuracy was on par with my target rifle at 10-15 yards when I had a Hawke red dot on it.

    The whole package with pistol,case and scope came in at £98 ish.
     
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    Some excellent suggestions from Splat,Beachcomber and Matty. I have to confess I didn't know about SSP's until you prompted me to Gurgle and Search for info. I've just watched a video showing a guy shooting the P17 at 10m and I thought he'd not fired the gun until I realised there really is no recoil! Shame they aren't as cheap as the States ($40!)
    i still quite like the idea of the Webleys but will have a further read up of reviews.
    Is the Beeman well made? I only ask as the price in the States is very low.
    Do the Webleys have a kick?
    Does the Beeman really have such a low power level , that seems very low?
    Sorry for all the questions but I think your replies have been a great help.
    Many thanks
    Dag
     
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    :eek:
    Surprised the pellet made it out of the barrel!
    They are supposed to give out 410fps
     
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    The beemans are well made,there is a known flaw in the air intake port but you can fix that with a bit of wire wool,it's nothing to worry about.

    It's a chinese copy of the HW40,a well made unit and the accuracy is fantastic,it's a 10 meter target style pistol so power is not an issue and thats why they seem low but honestly,it does not matter.

    I would have one over a sub £150 springer any day of the week as they are easier to cock,recoiless and more accurate.

    Heres a pic of a target at 12 yard of my P17,the inner circle is around 1 inch and there is 7 shots.

    View attachment 93154
     
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    Sorry,double checked this and my Beeman P17 gives 2.3 FPE and the HW40 gives on average 2.4 FPE
     
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    The P17 is a fantastic little pistol, and the accuracy surprised me for the price! I got mine for £45 from a hobby shop in Keswick, and it's the newer model with tru-glo fibre optic sights.

    I've had mine apart to check for the air intake port fault, but mine was already fine so if you get a recent version, it looks like quality issues have been addressed.
     
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    I take your point about accuracy v power. Looking at Chairgun a RWS Superdome at 410 fps will still be doing 320 fps at 20yds and the POI has only dropped about 0.6 inch. If it is that recoiless and accurate do I really need more? The replies here have been an eye opener!
    Now, where can I get a P17 for £45!!!
    thanks
    Dag
     
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