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Trigger happy cops.

Discussion in 'Get it off your chest' started by Tron, Jun 23, 2017.

  1. gargloit

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    Political control has an effect on crime levels, depending upon it's agenda. When your voting block consists of poor people, it would be foolish to make them rich if you want to stay in power.

    Merely a demonstration that stricter firearms laws in a country where firearms can be freely obtained don't work. In just about all states, AFAIK, convicted felons are prohibited firearms. That doesn't appear to work too well in the high crime areas, does it.
     
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    You're correct it wouldn't have happened here but after watching a severely embarrassing video this this week where a man (yes in keeping with this thread he was black) was chasing 9 police officers around with a cleaver. It looked pathetic if the police were armed it wouldn't have happened.


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    As you say 'coincidence' but probably bearing no direct correlation.If all or the majority of Democratic states had the highest/worst shootings and gun related crime then it would probably have some significance and be relevant but I suggest the high level of gun crime in these 6 or so cities is more likely related to social and economic problems.
    If as you say these cities with the high gun crime rate also have the strictest or stricter gun laws then one could ask how much worse the situation would be without them.The words 'war zone' may spring to mind.
     
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    Again, I appear to have seriously missed your point. You were going for a cause and effect between strict regulation and firearms offences?
     
  6. gargloit

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    No, you were.
     
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    I've always wondered how they, a gun shop for instance,know whether a person is a convicted felon or not.Does the purchaser have to have proof of I.D and is this then put into some national database on a computer that the shop has access to check if that person has a criminal record or not.I believe some States you can only buy a gun from an RFD/Gun shop if yo're resident in that State but whether this applies in all States i wouldn't know.But in either case,whether you're a convicted felon or a resident i would suspect that either or both requirements are open to abuse.After all i would suspect that it's not all that difficult to provide false information,certainly not in this day and age.But what restrictions they have i think only applies to gun dealers and guns can be traded quite freely between private individuals and through gun clubs on the secondhand market with virtually no questions asked.That coupled with the fact that gun owners are not required to have any security arrangements in place unlike in this country it's easy to see why a gun is easily obtained over there.
     
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    I was given a tour around Nashville PD's property store as part of my visit. One of the first things I noticed was about two and a half stacks of warehouse containers, each probably about 2 feet by 18 inches by maybe 18 inches. The two were stacked to five feet. Every container was filled with pistols, mostly rubbish but functional. The officer I was with noticed me looking and said that they were seizures taken from assorted members of the public. Knowing how long the UK police have to retain property I asked how long this haul had taken to accumulate. The reply was something like "Not too long. We take them all down to a foundry to be melted down about once every three or four months."

    In Macon, Georgia, the officers I was with pulled up a little Subaru (back light out) estate containing two very young black lads, old enough to drive, just. The officer got out to chat to them, then very casually opened the car doors and from one side produced a very large machete, and from the other, a sawn off pump action shotgun. Both lads were asked to step out of the car and were searched. Asked who owned the shotgun, the driver said he didn't know it was in the car, which he had just picked up from the workshop. The officer then told the driver that he was keeping the shotgun and if the driver found out who's it was he should contact the officer (business card handed to the driver) who would return it to him. This was later confirmed as being OK by the team's sergeant to me later when the incident was recounted to him.

    Things really are so very different over there.

    P.S. The two lads were, as mentioned, black, and the two officers I was with were white. Neither officer showed even the slightest hint of any inclination to shoot either of the lads.
     
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    Is this before or after he shoot you?
     
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    When I was in the States you didn't even need I.D to buy a gun, you just went to a Gun Show instead of a dealer/shop and had your pick of thousands of different types and could purchase one with cash, so no paper trail. They have been trying to block this loop hole but I don't know if they succeeded.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole
     
  11. gargloit

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    Before generally works best. Statistically speaking it reduces greatly the chances of the police officer shooting you. Except maybe in Argentina or Brazil.
     
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    Twice as many whites were shot per year by police over the past decade or so. In 2015 50% of police shootings were against Whites whilst 26% were against Blacks.

    On the other hand Whites commit ~28% of violent crime whilst blacks commit ~50%.

    Over 90% of Blacks are killed by other Blacks over there but that doesn't quite fit the agenda that the 'evil white man' is out to get the poor underprivileged minorities/genders/sexualities/religions etc.

    Don't fall for the race baiting.
     
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    That still shows a bias towards the shooting of, as you so charmingly put it, "blacks". According to the US Census (see https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/), in 2016 only 13.3% of the US population is made up of African Americans (76.9% were white under this same census). 13.3% of the population against 26% of the shootings tells me you're damn nearly twice as likely to be shot by the cops if you're black than white.

    Lies, damned lies and statistics...
     
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    Population numbers are irrelevant, violent crime is directly correlated to ending up at the barrel end of a policeman's gun.

    The vast majority of shooting 'victims' are men, men also commit the majority of violent crime. Are you going to tell me that there's a conspiracy to murder men?

    I'm not saying the police don't have an issue with potentially over reacting with deadly force, that's another matter, but this idea that there's some kind of racial culling going on is just plain wrong.

    'twice as likely to get shot' whilst committing twice the number of violent crime which puts you into contact with armed police, so you agree that the numbers add up just as I say? Great, all in agreement then.

    You have an issue with calling African Americans black? Better tell the 'black lives matter' group too...
     
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    How else? Among the Metropolitan elite liberal reality avoiders there is a constantly running competition on this subject. There are various terms used, coloured, black, people of colour, and others that are from time to time deemed acceptable. The game is deciding which one is 'permissible' and once decided all the others become a racist slur, until the next time it changes. It really is utterly hypocritical. In many instances, any of these terms is deemed racist in order to show the malice of the person using the word. Whichever one it is it will be the wrong one. Tedious virtue signalling and point scoring.
     
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    Mate, that's me to a T.
     
  17. gargloit

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    Maybe, if you're twice as likely to be committing crime.
     
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    So, any insights as to why that may be?
     
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    Yes, hundreds of years of slavery followed by hundreds of years of legal discrimination, it's going to take more than a few decades to catch up with the rest of us without help.
     
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    Yes and had no issue with you using the word "whites" that's what's wrong with this world racism only happens one way.


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