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Travelling with sub 12 ft Hatsan

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by g13marcos, Mar 22, 2014.

  1. g13marcos

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    Hello

    I am new to the forum and i would like some information from those who have it please.

    I have a Hatsan AT44-10 PCP sub 12 ft air rifle which i want to take back to Cyprus with me this summer. I have contacted the local authorities and know what to do once i get there.

    The problem is that beeing a sub 12 ft airgun I dont have a license for it or any other documentation that proves that it does not need a license. Most airlines do not know the law regarding air rifles, hence they will not know that i dont need a license!

    A friend of mine tried to do the same with easy jet and although he had called them and explained the difference they did not let him fly, even after he had checked in the gun.

    My question is if anyone had any experience with any airline and knows his way around them.

    Or if it is possible to obtain any legal document that states that the air rifle does not require a license.

    Thank you
    Marcos
     
  2. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    Simplest way is to courier the gun to yourself the ay you fly back. Simply get an international courier to take it. Make sure you empty all the air out, so it complies with regulations and send it to yourself and wait for it to turn up!
     
  3. g13marcos

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    Thank you for the reply

    I will look into that as well. Anyone knows which couriers are happy to transport an air rifle?
     
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    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    TNT are, you could also try asking in your local gunshop how much they would charge to send it for you!
     
  5. r10hunter

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    If you intend to regularly travel backwards and forwards would it not be worth putting your gun on fac and then getting a European firearms pass?? Just a matter of showing the airline your documents then and travel with the gun.
    Cheers Andy
     
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  6. secretagentmole

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    Some airlines won't carry guns, especially PCP rifles! Remember it is a 200 bar bottle on an AT44, get that up to 33,000 ft (10,000 metres for any metricated people) and possible explosion! Hence make sure it is empty! Some airlines just say no full stop and avoid the problem.
     
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  7. r10hunter

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    Yes true you do need to check with your airline before you buy a ticket.
    Virgin are one of those that don't allow you at all.
    Easy jet rip you off for £15 extra for taking a gun even though you are under weight.
    Don't turn up late for a flight as a separate security company deals with the gun not the checkin person and it can take a few mins.
    Cheers Andy
     
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  8. oliver13

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    That's the bottom line, even an aerosol can is unwelcome, I had a firefighting colleague who in his RAF days was stationed in Newfoundland when a passenger jet made an emergency landing with a big section of luggage bay missing, at first they thought it was a bomb but in the end the finger was pointed at an aerosol can of shaving foam...
     
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    Aerosol cans are fine if under 100ml they can go in your hand luggage if over 100ml they have to go in your suitcase in the hold.
    The risk is more from fire were the contents to leak.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    personaly I wouldn't consider £15 a rip of to transport an a rifle or any other .
     
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    I can appreciate the reluctance to have pressure vessels on planes from fire or crash perspectives, however exposing a 200bar cylinder to a total external vacuum is only equivalent to filling it to 1bar more at atmospheric pressure; so they're not just going to explode as soon as the plane reaches altitude :p
     
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    Especially as the hold is pressurised anyway to stop our luggage turning into blocks of ice and to save wearing those annoying masks :)
    Compared to all the other stuff that goes in a aircraft hold a pcp is fairly safe even if it got on the plane full of air by some mistake. A laptop computer poses more of a risk to the plane.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    Hi Marcos

    is your rifle .177 as I believe you cant have .22 air rifles in Cyprus( Im sure it is as you mentioned that you spoke to Cyprus) a strange rule and if being honest ive no idea why .22 isn't allowed
    rgds
    craig
     
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    That's why they don't want something in there that would suddenly introduce a volume of gas inside the sealed hold, it's not because they might fail with the pressure drop. Modern airliner fuselages are very strong but the design limits are still pretty small, every gram of material used in the construction will have a significant dollar value over the life of an airliner & it does get looked at when shopping for the latest Airbus.
    I don't know about a can of shaving foam but a half litre buddy bottle at 200bar is worth a 100 litres of air at sea level, a 12 liter cylinder at 300 bar would give 3600 litres - a bit more as a cruising aircraft is partially depressurised compared to sea level.
    Some airlines will transport scuba cylinders, but only if they have the valves removed to confirm they are empty
     
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    The baggage hold is not sealed it is pressurised in the same way the passenger cabin is. The pressure is regulated in the hold just as it is in the rest of the plane.
    The tiny volumes of air in a buddy bottle or diving tank leaking would not make the slightest difference to the system.
    Full Pressure vessels can pose a danger in a fire, or if were one to fail of its own accord in the air it could cause severe damage. So they are carried empty. But they are no more likely to fail in the air than they are sat in your house.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    Thank you all for the answers

    Yes Scoie it is a.177. I actually come from Cyprus, so i know the law there :). I am also surprised that you know it as well. You are allowed a .22 as long as you are registered to a recognised shooting club. That is because pooching thrives in Cyprus and they say that you can use the .22 to hunt ( It is illegal to hunt with an air rifle)...... As if you can't do the same with the .177...
    Cheers
    Marcos
     
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    Great first how to tansport it now the OP opens the whole .177 versus .22 calibre debate!
     
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    If you can find a airline company that will take firearms, then arrive for your flight well in advance, I've flown with air pistols before now and the check in took three hours, the guns had firearms labels attached, with the hand written note, "treat as" The spec sheet from the manufacturer is useful to show the power limits as well. There's a bit of red tape, but most problems come from officials not knowing what to do as airguns fall into a grey area.

    HTH

    John
     
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