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Today I'd like to talk about FX, Axsor and all their variants

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by cloverleaf, May 12, 2017.

  1. cloverleaf

    cloverleaf Super Moderator Staff Member Mod/Admin

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    As I'm sure many of us are aware, a wide range of these Swedish guns have been sold under many different brands over the years - including Webley, RWS, Logun and of course FX and Axsor.

    These rifles all share a similar format of single-tube designs that house the striker, valving and air chamber in one 33mm OD, 4mm-walled anodised ally tube. All are either two-shot with a brass shuttle, 7 or more commonly 8 shot with an aluminium rotary mag. Most guns run a side bolt (although one or two use a rear bolt configuration) and all cock on closing. The valve gear on all is the same nicely-designed, miniature format consisting of a bi-material valve that's supported at both ends inside a brass housing, and all run similarly crude triggers and mag indexing setup. The bulk of these rifles is made from ally.

    By way of example, here's an image of my "RWS Excalibre" - a rifle produced by FX and badged as an RWS:

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    While on the surface all of these guns look very similar, dig a little deeper and you'll find an often confusing range of subtle differences between models; often meaning that parts interchangeability is frustratingly limited.

    In an effort to both better arm myself in the face of these differences and appease my nagging OCD, I try to keep track of all these variations in a spreadsheet. Given that FX is run by Fredrik Axelsson and that Axsor appears to be a variation of his name, I have, up until this point lumped all the similar FX-like products under the FX banner.

    As I've now come to realise after an enlightening conversation with Simon at ASI and a bit more digging, not one but two companies have been responsible for bringing these very similar guns to our shores.

    It seems that Fredrik Axelsson once worked for a company called "Axsor" (not sure if it was his or someone elses) before moving to (or more likely creating) FX. The products from these two companies are certainly very similar (I'm guessing all are Mr. Axelsson's designs) however there are many, many differences.

    It seems to me now that Axsor are responsible for producing a number of rifles including the "Webley Axsor", "Webley Lite W8", "Logun Axsor" and various others under the Axsor brand, such as the Axsor Gemini.

    By contrast, FX made a number of very similar but subtly different fixed / mono-cylinder guns including the "Webley FX2000" and "RWS Excalibre" along with other guns that employed many similar parts but were based around separate action blocks with removable cylinders such as the Scimitar, Spectre, Cutlass, Cyclone, Verminator Mk1, Dominator and Gladiator Mk1.

    These rifles usually employed a LH/RH-swappable "biathlon" cocking lever, but a grip-cocking system was also found on a few. All had a detachable screw-in cylinder at the front of the action beneath the barrel, while some also had a 500cc cylinder screwed into the back that served as the butt. Stocks were either Walnut, or more often a not-particularly-nice black-finished synthetic material.

    These guns were marketed under a number of brands including Webley, Logun and RWS, as well of course as the actual manufacturer - FX.

    This has been a bit of a watershed moment for me as I've realised that many of the difference between guns I thought all came from FX, are actually differences between guns made by Axsor and FX. What is confusing to me is that while I'd initially thought that Axsor as a company came first before disappearing and perhaps being re-born as FX, it appears that the two might have run concurrently. There are even apparently new (not NOS) Axsor-branded rifles for sale on Gstar, so these must be coming from somewhere.

    My question to the AGF massive is, can anyone please tell me anything about Axsor and FX? Did Mr. Axlesson start Axsor before leaving it in someone else's hands to start FX? Are Axsor still going? What is Mr. Axelsson's relationship with Axsor now, assuming the company still exists?

    Any thoughts and help much appreciated in unpicking this tangled web of intrigue!
     
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    My tip is this:

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    The first PCP I had for my 14th birthday was a Webley fx2000 brand new. I remember picking it up from the shop. A few years later I had a custom walnut stock made by Steve pope.

    I have always regretted selling that rifle!
     
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    Google required to find out what that was all about :p


    Thanks that was indeed very helpful and answered a lot of my questions :)


    Yup.. quite fancy one if a decent example comes up at the right price!
     
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    A great read, as always Mike.
     
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    cloverleaf Super Moderator Staff Member Mod/Admin

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    Thanks - more like an overly verbose cry for help than a comprehensive write-up though!
     
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    https://youtu.be/0JdBIPFHqj4

    This video is very interesting and might give you a little more insight.. love seeing their machining, looks to all be done on sliding head lathes, machining their components from solid bar, all in one operation so doubt they are suffering from any repeatability or concentricity issues! Think they have it spot on machining wise!
     
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    He worked for a company called CNC for which he was in a partnership, he had a falling out and left to do his own thing ,at the time I bought my axsor Gemini 177 about 1998 there was 8 members of staff all Inc management, truly ground breaking designer ,it never let me down once and accuracy far above anything produced at that time ,for me the competition felt like they where blunder busses and I had a barret 50cal ha ha ,I had Turkish walnut stock that just set its looks off even more . CNC was a high end machining company and what they produced was perfection ,its good to see someone else who appreciated his design and factually knew the designers name which is hardly recognised in the field of pcp rifle sports ,I'd give him a spot in air rifle hall of fame if they ever had one
     
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    To complicated to explain.
     
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    Thanks - a very interesting video :)

    Ta for shedding a bit more light on it - sounds like Axsor is a name associated with his previous company then; perhaps analogous to how Air Arms are part of NSP Engineering.

    While I don't always agree with his design choices there's no denying that Mr. Axelsson is a highly skilled and motivated individual; with FX clearly being the most innovative of current manufacturers IMO :)
     

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