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Titan Xs Springs!

Discussion in 'Technical' started by john79, Jun 30, 2019.

  1. john79

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    Anyone use these titan xs springs? what do you think over lets say a hw / AA spring?
    ive one of these titan springs in my hw77k it feels abit harsh/snappy it was part of a tuning kit
    cocking not to much effort and the fps is very consistant,
    Wondering if a standard hw spring might feel abit softer maybe!
     
  2. shergar

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    I'm equally happy with Titan or HW/AA springs. Have a titan No 10 in a TX200 and also a No 10 in a HW 99.
    Finishing ends of spring and having correct fitting guide is recommended and factory HW springs often require as much work as cut down Titans.
    Be aware that dimensions are nominal and will vary even between ends of same spring.
    I have cut,heated,compressed springs from all 3 sources without problem.The recommended spring for your gun may not be the best,especially if length needs reducing by more than 20%. A 20% reduction in length equates to a 25% increase in stiffness.
     
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    i didnt like mine so replaced it with the original
     
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    Changed my TX200 spring that wasn't making power unless it was loaded with several extra power washers, fitted a N0.10 Titan to that , yes it's more powerful than the original spring and had to trim a bit off it to get the power down a bit, but only talking a few mm's , still probably want just a touch more off it to make me happier , but it's fairly soft, a lot easier to cock than the 97's , shoots through a 6mm hole at 20 yards and not snappy at all, just shooting it for a while till it settles down then maybe just a tiny shrinkage of the length , no preload washers at all, just a slim slip washer between the top hat and piston :)
     
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    Fitted one to my prosport and it removed the twang I was getting as well as making it feel snappier. No alterations required
     
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    Titans generally have a stiffer spring rate which does lead to a snappier shot cycle.
    More difficult than a factory spring to get right but possibly the best aftermarket spring out there.
    In rifles with larger diameter pistons 28-30mm, 80, 52 etc I'd say better off with a replacement OE spring
     
  7. Trampilot

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    Fitted them in several rifles - no complaints at all.

    My 77 .177 has one. In error I got the one intended for 77/97 FAC. Obviously had to remove some coils but now its settled in its very smooth with little recoil.

    My Mercury and BSA 635 both have them in too.
     
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    They're certainly better quality than HW, comparable to / perhaps a bit better than AA. They're always far too long for their intended application though, so will always need cutting down.

    If assessing firing manners you can't just go by brand - you need to look at each spring's specs and make a decision on that.
     
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    Could someone confirm that all Titan springs wind in a left hand direction and weihrauch springs in a right hand direction. This observation is based on a number I have encountered but experience is limited.
     
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    I just fitted a titan kit in my 80 with the extra long rear guide and tophat.
    The fit of the guides was good , I was pleasantly surprised . Had to play around with different spring lengths though 3EF60D89-4021-459D-8E45-DF2EB1BE12D3.jpeg
     
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    All my titans are wound the opposite way:)
     
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    The Titan No 11 is right hand wind.

    The No 1, 2 and 7 are left hand.
     
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    Ahh

    You're fitting them back to front
     
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    fitted a titan to my original 45 loads to choose from fitted it was way over had to cut and collapse to 242mm now at 11.3 ftlbs i thought it was a soft action compared to the ox i found inside ox was 247 long so they are not supplied ready to fit as i thought
    samsheene
     
  15. John Harrigan

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    I have a John Knibbs Titan spring in my Mk1 Weirauch HW80 John shortened it for me in the early 1980's it differs from a modern spring in that it is close coiled for 11/2"-2" at the piston end to reduce piston bounce, I seem to remember John said at the time it was sourced in Scandinavia it has a blue low friction coating; it has often been cocked for hours whilst out shooting. over 35 years later it is still going strong...

    I have no connection to Titan or JohnKnibbs
     
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    With the Titan springs Ive tried a no.2 in my pro elite and in my hw80 in the past and found them ok but I’ve obviously had to cut them down but looking at the Titan spring chart C9798D7F-7542-4A66-8CB7-EC5D0709BA41.png Wouldn’t a no.4 be better suited it’s almost the same but about 40mm shorter has anyone tried a no.4 in a hw80? If so how did it perform
     
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    It’s still way to long . But an interesting option. Tbt guides fit quite well in a no2
     
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    I've found with the thicker Titan springs they are a bit tricky to get right, because they use the thicker spring guage , your talking minute alterations to get the power dead right. In my TX 200 it's only 3.1 guage and the spring is virtually cut to the right length in the first place the spring feels so much softer than the Titan No.1 I'm using in another gun, the Titan No.10 was easy to play with cutting wise, the No.1 not so easy, easy to cut down, getting exactly right for under 12 ft/lb not so easy, the No10 lets you make power with some preload,even after cutting down a bit, the No.1 has about 5mm of preload, once you get closer to power it's easy to close a coil a little, not so easy to take of a couple of mm off when your all dressed up on the ends when the power it a bit too high, I found closing the coil didn't work as well as removing that little extra bit.

    The No.4 is even thicker guage but you might well get away with it inside an 80, but it would be far to powerful for a 97K type setup.
     
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    The no2 in an 80 needs very little pre load . I was shocked by how little. I use stp mixed with graphite as a lube ,I think this has a big factor on how it affects power . Once you are in the ballpark patience is needed to get it right . Pellet choice at this stage is also important
     
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    I purchased a Titan No.4 for a HW 80 but managed with the aid of top hat, bigtoe's lube and sizing of piston seal to get gun producing 11.33 with original spring and modest preload. Will leave it at that, but in front of me is the Titan 4 together with a second hand weihrauch spring acquired as a spare.
    Apart from being wound in opposite direction, thickness of wire,internal/external diameters are similar. Titan spring has 28 coils in length of 250 mm, Weihrauch 27 coils in length of 225 mm resulting in slightly closer pitch. Would leave Titan under compression prior to fitting so difference not so great. Both springs are finished with reasonable square ends. Expect both spring will require cutting to stay below 12 fpe but cutting down a No.2 would result in fewer coils at same length as No 4.
    When time allows I will compare actual load factor of each spring.
     
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