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Tikka T3x Varmint

Discussion in 'Gun Gallery' started by cloverleaf, Aug 10, 2018.

  1. Lev Levvin

    Lev Levvin Pro Poster

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    Wildcat evolution moderators are pretty reasonably priced and very effective
    Fitted one to my Howa 1500 223 to appease my farmer landlord :thumb:
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    WR14210 Engaging Member

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    Gun porn. :thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::):):)
     
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    Great to see Otmoor getting some use again, nice shooting :)
     
  4. cloverleaf

    cloverleaf Super Moderator Staff Member Mod/Admin

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    Thanks - one of these is on the shortlist, although I'm not a huge fan of the aesthetic (fussy exterior, coloured baffle stacks) and have my reservations about its ability to return to zero post removal / stripping, plus the use of a rear bush. I've been advised I can use it without the bush fitted - in which case I'd probably look to get a delrin blank with an O-ring insert made up to give clearance on the barrel.

    Was listening to one on a .223 on the range earlier - not quiet but (unsurprisingly) more so than my mate's on his Creedmore and certainly acceptable. The owner's subsequent removal of the unit and following shots brought home nicely the immense difference it actually makes :)

    It is - nice range, really convenient for me and it holds somewhat of a mythical status as I've heard it mentioned countless times in the past but never been before.

    Thanks for the support but on the whole my shooting was nowt special - managing a convincing last place overall :p


    I spent today at Bisley after a fellow club member generously donated his BASC range day to me since he couldn't make it. As we all know stalking's not my bag, but it was something different and an opportunity to get some time with the rifle, another instance of use to appease the Polis and most importantly a chance to do some group testing.

    The day started with a safety briefing, competency course and test before those who didn't already have their certificate could use the range.

    After the necessaries were out of the way I joined some of the others in the group on the 100yd zeroing range at the British Sporting Rifle Club. The range was furnished with some nice sturdy bench rests and I put some rounds down off my Caldwell bags yielding the following target of 4x three shot and 1x five shot groups:

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    The first group (top left) was around 1/2" right of the POA so I gave the lovely Sightron two clicks right before shooting the rest of the groups. The groups measured (c-c, in order of being shot) 25.5mm, 21mm, 17mm, 16.5mm, 26mm; so range from about 0.65-1.0MOA (the grid squares are 1 inch or 1MOA, not that there's much difference).

    Attempting to deconstruct the groups:

    The high-left shot in the first was the first from a cold, clean barrel so I'm tempted to call this as an outlier; although the horizontal displacement of this group is comparable to some of the later ones. Regardless judged by this group the gun evidently shows little sensitivity to shooting with a clean bore.

    Aside from the last group all got tighter as I put more rounds down the gun. This could have been due to the barrel "leading in", my technique improving or just coincidence. I think the low shot in the last group may be the result of my poor technique as I noticed on this one that I'd stopped consciously offering so much resistance to the butt with my shoulder as I had been..

    It must also be remembered that these were all shot with a 10x scope, so a small amount of POA error will doubtless have crept in and the groups would probably shrink a little with the use of a higher mag scope.

    Generally though I'm happy with how the gun's shooting; within the minute guaranteed by the factory and often less than its maximum.. which I don't consider bad for an off-the-shelf rifle and factory ammo :)


    After lunch I had a go on the 50m running boar with the .22, which was great fun. There was also a stalking proficiency test (life-size / lifelike fox and deer targets shot prone, kneeling and standing off sticks) and running deer at 100yd; although I gave these a miss in the interest of conserving what little ammo I had left.

    The day played host to a wide range of abilities and there was some interesting kit present. Most were shooting .223, .243 or .308, but I also spotted a .300blk and one chap had a .300 Win. Mag. The first time he touched one off two lanes across I thought my earplugs had suddenly failed; although the pressure wave hitting my face suggested it was something other than a .308 :confused:

    All good fun :)
     
  5. Lev Levvin

    Lev Levvin Pro Poster

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    The rear Bush on the wildcat is only there for ascetic purposes.

    you don’t need it fitted if you don’t want to.

    it’s made from a delrin type plastic, and is designed to be drilled / bored out to suit your barrel.

    I put mine in the lathe and took the centre hole out to 17mm to suit my 16.5mm barrel taper... this looks perfect with a very small clearance around the Bush so will not effect zero in any way
     
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    gasman Head of sales smartfit uk

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    Wildcat mods,
    I have a p8 wildcat,
    While looking at mods I choose this because I thought “great I’ll get a different insert for each cal then just swap mod over around me gun, no not that simple, different threads :facepalm:, you then need a new rear section for each gun, :rolleyes:
     
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    cloverleaf Super Moderator Staff Member Mod/Admin

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    Aye; I'd want something relatively soft in there to prevent the ally mod contacting the barrel while screwing it on. The bush will apparently accommodate a max. barrel diameter of 25mm (IIRC) and mine is 22 so I might not have the space to get an O-ring in there too. Want to ensure that I'm not going to scuff up my nice lovely matt-finished barrel!

    You'll need a new centre "bridge" section (as well as the calibre-specific baffle stack) if the threads on the guns are different. While the ability to swap calibres is a nice idea in principal, the potential for disaster by fitting the mod to a rifle with a smaller calibre baffle stack fitted concerns me.

    If / when I go larger that will probably also be a heavy-barrelled Tikka so threads will be the same, although on account of the above different threads and mods might not be a bad thing!

    How do you find the P8? It appeals to me on bush size (max barrel OD is 29mm) and aesthetics, although is apparently quite a bit larger and heavier than the Evo. Probably overkill in a .223 anyway..
     
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    Honestly mate... it won’t scuff up your barrel.
    It’s superbly engineered

    The rear Bush is just like delrin and certainly won’t mark a Matt stainless barrel, it doesn’t touch it once you’ve bored it correctly

    I have the same kind of finish on my stainless Howa, I remove the mod every time I put it in the gun bag.

    the wildcat locates and spins on easily

    it’s far from being like a cheapo airgun moderator, it is really firm and positive
     
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    cloverleaf Super Moderator Staff Member Mod/Admin

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    It will scuff up the barrel if there's any contamination between the two surfaces - not a sleight on the mod at all, just the way it is. I've seen quite a few centrefire barrels that have been used with mods and there's always some form of marking where the rear bush sits; some worse than others but it's always there - from light polishing to missing finish and scratches.

    As far as I'm concerned it's a fat air gap or bust! Have you used yours enough yet to see if there's any POI shift resulting from the repeated removal and refitting of the mod?
     
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  10. Lev Levvin

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    No havnt used mine in anger on the range yet... my certification day is mid November for the local rifle club

    I have shooting sessions on the farm with my mentor

    but I spin the mod on and off every day while practicing loading / unloading/ decocking etc

    making safety a habit

    my rear Bush has enough air gap around the barrel to make it impossible to mark the stainless.

    my RFD told me I don’t have to fit the rear Bush at all but if I chose to I’d need to bore out the hole so it fits over the barrel.

    The Bush doesn’t touch anywhere so won’t be able to mark the barrel.

    you could bore yours out to allow 2mm air gap to be 100% certain
     
  11. Lev Levvin

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    My club range is Millpool 1000 yard MOD range on Bodmin moor
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  12. Lev Levvin

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    wildcat Evo mods are colour coded to stop that happening mike

    each calibre is a different colour.

    I have a 6mm green mod for my 223, on my RFD ( the gun room in Ivybridge) recommendation although I could have used a purple one that is also suitable for 223

    the colours are different for the bigger calibres, red, blue, green, purple etc

    the end caps are anodised so unless you’re colour blind there’d be no excuse for fitting wrong calibre mod with same bridge thread
     
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    I can’t see how removing /replacing the mod will have any effect on poi at all...

    honestly, I can’t.

    the mod spins on and off to exactly the same position every time... there’s absolutely no play or movement whatsoever

    I may be proven wrong... but I genuinely can’t see how it could effect the poi
     
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    gasman Head of sales smartfit uk

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    Kinda sounds strange mate? Do you mean that’s all they had a green one Instead of selling you the correct one:rolleyes:, it’s not going be as good as using the Calibre specific insert
     
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    I don’t know on that one mate...
    But it’s worth a phone call to Wildcat Uk tomorrow :thumb:
     
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    A 223 round is 5.664mm...

    So that only allows 0.168mm clearance around the bullet...

    deffo worth a phone call methinks
     
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    gasman Head of sales smartfit uk

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    Yeah but that’s for a 6mm bullet, so it will have more for a 5.56/.223, I have the purple insert in mine which is for a .223/5.56mm, I mean not saying it’s wrong I can shoot my .223 though my .270 mod , it will work but it will work better with the correct size mod
     
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    Phoned wildcat today...

    the 6mm (green)moderator baffles will work with the 223 but will be a lot louder than the correct (purple) baffle set.
    The very knowledgeable woman I spoke to is sending me out a 223 purple baffle set and a return envelope for the incorrect 6mm set.
    Excellent customer service
     
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    I also asked the best way of dealing with the rear Bush to make sure it doesn’t mark the barrel...

    drill out the centre bore of the plastic Bush 2mm bigger than your barrel to give 1mm clearance all around the barrel and Bush.
     
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    I don't expect any play; however tiny differences in seating, contamination on the threads / mating faces, lubrication, tightening torque etc can all make small differences to the mod's alignment and hence affect POI between instances of removal and refitting. It will happen, the question is really to what extent and whether this is acceptable. I'd be interested to hear some real-world experiences :)

    Certainly sounds better than the service you got from your local gun shop if they were happy to flog you a mod with the wrong size hole up the middle!

    Thanks for asking the question - it's something I've been meaning to do and I appreciate having the manufacturer's endorsement of running the mod in this format :)
     
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