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Theoben rapid 17 mk2

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by jungle, Feb 20, 2014.

  1. jungle

    jungle Engaging Member

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    Evening all

    I'm looking at purchasing a second hand rapid as I have always wanted one.

    I Seen that looks right to me and at the right price but is there any regular problems with them things I meed to check? I know there a older rifle but don't know when they were made etc

    Any info would be a great help

    Thanks all
     
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    Check the anti tamper on the back of the action mate. If its in place, great.... If not its probably been messed with
    Now this isn't always a bad thing, but there are some dodgy shed modders out there

    Take a chrono and pellets to make sur its legal as they're well known for being 'tuned' by people who think more power equals more game in the bag !!
     
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    Cheers for the advise what is the anti tamper a nut or screw or something?
     
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    It's a disc that's in place to stop people tampering with the hammer spring
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    you can just see the top of the disc partially covered by the stock
    A lot stocks have been 'adapted' so once the anti tamper has been removed the power can be turned up while out in the field
     
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    Got you thanks mate
     
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    regardless of anti-tamper, if it's uk legal power, shoot straight, is consistant enough, the fact the anti tamper isn't there wouldnt worry me,
     
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    As I said 'not always a bad thing' but you can't be too careful now a days
    Take a chrono with you if possible. Check bottle for leaks while on and off the rifle too mate if you can
     
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    +1 for the above. The a/t (If you can call it that:rolleyes::p) on mine was intact but I removed it just to tweak it (down) slightly.
    Apart from that my MFR is as it left the shop, apart from a PhilD reg service.
    Gret guns that are built to last.:cool::up::up::up:
     
  9. Accuspell

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    The Rapid first saw the light of day in 1989, went into production in 1990 with the first production rifle coming out in December 1990 - it was in production for 23 years and is arguably still in production as the RAW (Rapid Air Weapons) HM1000.

    The mk1 is unregulated, has a 400cc bottle (unless changed0 a 16" barrel, usually Anschutz, various triggers were used, but gamo were used on the early ones, then Webley triggers (same as the Omega) all the way through to an Anschutz match trigger. The mk2 came along in about 2007, regulated and a smaller bottle (280cc).

    The mk1 is bombproof, and although unregulated is very consistent once well set up with very little power curve. Mine is 1991 and is as sweet as nut still - still my favourite rifle of all time. You won't be disappointed, even if the one you are looking at is suffering from a few niggles (actually it would be good if it were - you would be able to haggle it down!) I would still be happy to get it, provided fasteners are not chewed up and it was "tidely wrong" - because to put it right won't cost much and then you would have a rifle for an heirloom for not a lot of money. I bet my Rapid outlasts the Daystates that came after it as a poor copy! Like the Air Ranger - I have one of those too, much better trigger, but that is the only saving grace. It is much bigger, heavier and bulkier, even if it is very accurate.
     
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    If its regged to the right power and the reg works as it should, then even with the anti tamper removed the gun would be hard to change the power massively with hammer adjustment, only if the reg is adjusted would the power level change dramatically, so it effect the reg is an anti tamper in itself.

    Ask on any regulated gun when was the reg last serviced or when was the last chrono string done, it should have very little changes in power if anything.

    A regulated rifle can be filled to over 200 bar I fill mine to 220 and it runs best at the top of the charge for some reason so I recommend chronoing the gun on a full tank.

    Theoben rapids are often improved from factory spec by people such as KEVG, some were far from perfect, so anti tamper removed can often mean the gun is well fettled, and in fact I would rather buy a gun that has recently been sorted than a bog standard theoben with anti tamper in place, because as with all airgun manufacturer Theoben didn't have time to do full shot strings on every gun they made, where as the specialist tuners do and often flatten the consistency further.

    Like hw springers there have been many roughly chopped springs come out of a factory Rapid, so a simple smoothed properly finished hammer spring can improve the guns consistency, for a few minutes of your time, but also every barrel is different not every Rapid is guaranteed to be match accurate, If you get a good one though they are as accurate as any match rifle, Im lucky I got two good barrels on mine but I had a thumbhole Rapid 17 years ago that wouldn't group, its pointless spending money on guns like this as no regulator or tune in the world will improve a gun like this, so good barrel is paramount then work from there.

    Its often cheaper to build a gun from scratch if you have patience to do it and you will then be selective of what you want and get an intimate knowledge of the inner workings of the mechanism, this way if you build an unregged gun you will always be able to fix it for pence if something like an o ring goes, this is the real benefit of the guns as they could last a lifetime of use needing no more than a few o rings, they are like the Hilux of the airgun world.

    Plus a sorted unregged gun can be every bit as accurate and as a regged one, with the added reliability.
     
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    I owned a rapid 7 at 18 and sold it at the ripe old age of 22.
    Twenty years later I've tacked down my rapid and although it had a few issues lots of guys helped me rebuild it of this forum and another.
    The mark 1 is the best air rifle I've ever owned and as said bomb proof, plus plenty of bits readily available, nothing can't be fixed on them.

    Andrew
    My collection of Mark 1s
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    I have a theory that like with factory performance cars coming off a production line, every one is slightly different as its a machine.

    Often a specialist tuner can flatten dull spots from the acceleration with a custom remap, and far improve the cars performance and economy as a result.

    Back to Rapids.

    Imagine the guns full shot string on a bar chart, often a tuner can improve the fluctuations at certain points in the charge or make the usable sweet spot larger, but beware no aftermarket spring kit will guarantee to improve every gun as every one is very slightly different, so sometimes as spring can make a big difference, the preload can be finely adjusted to get the best out of it.

    Just like a set re map or tuning box doesn't improve every car.

    I have a mate who has about 20 hammer springs for his 5 rapids and he swears a very puny spring he has from an old Daystate huntsman give his favourite gun its best consistency, funny that isn't it:D but after watching him with this particular gun I wont argue with him about it as its a tack driver alright, that's without a reg.

    I would class a well set up factory MK1 scalloped block (unregged) just as usable as any standard Mk2 as there is very little to go wrong.
     
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    Crikey Andrew, is that a 21" barrel on your top one? That will save some air!

    Mine - wearing a Tyrolean stock. The original 12/200 from 1991

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  14. engraver

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    That one simon is what I call pornography.:D

    Lovely example that mate.
     
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    Its one gun other then my daystate mk3 i got,always wanted!!
    never shot one,But what does a good example make nowadays chaps?
    enjoy
    james

    that picture of one above is Sex on a Stock ;-)
     
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