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The thoroghly amazing Royal Mail will....

Discussion in 'Get it off your chest' started by secretagentmole, Feb 13, 2014.

  1. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    Send your perfectly legal air rifle or pistol to Belfast for "investigation", yet they will deliver parcel bombs from the Republic of Ireland to Army recruiting offices in the UK!
     
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    All air rifles are FAC in NI, so they have to be investigated, otherwise they are illegally imported.
     
  3. SteveO

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    Hi John,

    I think Moley means that Belfast is where the gun is sent for investigation, I know any contraband is sent there for destruction like Li-ION batteries etc...

    The gun may just be on its way to a destination in England but is re-directed there for investigation by some jobs worth!... then destroyed if they deem necessary!
     
  4. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    No, air rifles and pistols sent by Royal Mail in the UK mainland to UK mainland addresses are being sent over to Belfast. Several members here and on other forums have had air rifles and pistols seized this way by Royal Mail, some to disappear forever! If I could draw your attention to this...

    http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/297734-royal-mail-airguns-new-as-of-august-2013/

    As an example! Say for instance I wanted to send a totally legal Colt 1911 style air pistol to my friend in Yorkshire, it is very possible it will go via Belfast, for "investigation" to see if it is legal, before delivery, sometimes even not delivered at all!

    Yet they managed to deliver an entire consignment of parcel bombs to UK Army recuiting offices on the mainland which were sent from Ireland, Southern Ireland!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rmy-recruitment-offices-southern-England.html

    Amazing isn't it?
     
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    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    So far the Royal Mail has managed to deliver 7 parcel bombs in the latest attack!
     
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    Mole, I don't think the RIRA/CIRA wrote 'bomb - be jezus!' on the outside of the package. And Im pretty sure they went to some length to disguise the contents in order to make sure it got to the target destination. So its a little unfair comparison.
     
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    Yes but having 7 parcels going to UK Army Offices, don't you think they should have given them the same level of inspection at Belfast, if not all 7 at least 1?
     
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    not like the old days I guess, probably got g4s checking the post now
     
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    The reason they are sending via NI is because air rifles are part 1 firearms there, so once the package is in the province then it is liable for seizure and destruction. There is no reason for any package to go via NI if it going between mainland addresses other than to deliberately ensure it is seized under the guise of we can't stop you posting but we can route it anyway we see fit and ensure it falls foul of the laws in the province. No different to if you tried to post a .22lr via the mainland mail, it's a part 1 item so it could be legitimately seized even if it was transferring between people with the appropriate licences. And lets be fair its far easier to recognise a gun on an x ray than a homemade bomb.
     
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    I wonder which gun hating douche thought this little scheme up at the RM after having their nose put out of joint over being told they can't prevent postage of items that require no licence.
     
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    Er no, they are spotting the guns on the mainland then shipping them to Belfast! Even when they have been informed what the parcel contains, know it is legal, they still do it! It is amazing that they can spot guns in transit, sometimes when they have been declared to be gns and marked surface mail only, but when it comes to bombs, something they are supposed to be able to spot because of animal rights extremists, jihadists and the Ireland provos, they fail miserably!
     
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    Thats my point Mr Mole they know what it is before they route it via NI on purpose, then someone else at the other end picks it up and says oh how odd this has got a gun in it that's a prohibited item here.
     
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    hello, are they destroyed??????????????
     
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    If they believe it is a prohibited item and they discover it on the UK mainland they must notify the local police force. They cannot send it to NI claiming it is being sent for investigation as they already know what it is and would be guilty of the unlawful import of section one firearms into NI plus if it exploded (pcp) they would be stuffed. They know that most air rifles are not prohibited but they don't want to carry it but have been told they must, so it is a very simple step to misroute it via NI as they can say it is still in the UK and someone had stuck it on the wrong truck. However once it enters NI and someone conveniently notices what it is, it becomes subject to the NI firearms laws and not ours. Surface mail just means no airfreight, doesn't mean they can't send by truck on a ferry. It's nice and convenient for them as all they have to say is we are really sorry but it got misrouted and seized by the PSNI as it is a prohibited item there, if they return it we will send it on but if not then tough claim on any insurance if you have it but please note we can route anyway we please within the UK and we didn't refuse to ship your item ( we just used regional law differences to our advantage).
     
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    It's my understanding that airguns sent via RM surface delivery is fine. the problem occurs because some of the longer internal distances (eg. london/man, man/edin etc) are sent by RM internal flights...yhe minute it's routed by air is a whole new set of rules, hence automatic reroute fly over to belfast sorting office and yet another set of regs....moral keep it in a van.
     
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    Err no, the Investigation Centre is in Belfast, this is where ALL suspect packages are sent, so your Diana Gat pistol can go there to make sure it is not capable of firing bullets, same with your break barrel, because what they see on X ray warrants further investigation. One chap in Scotland was a mile from where they were holding his R10, before it was sent to Belfast, he offered to come in and unwrap it, they would not let him!
     
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    Interesting, as they are now a private company their staff must be liable then for being in possession of a part 1 firearm once they knowing send it to NI, after all there are no exceptions to that law unless you hold an RFD. Or do the Royal Mail hold one?. Shipping a suspect item onwards is endangering both the safety of their employee's and the public, also a suspected explosive device is suspicious so do they send them there or call the local plod (bet u know which that is)or just deliver them.The only reason that centre will be in Belfast is to take advantage of the different laws in NI as a result of all the terrorism. They can't reasonably claim that having identified a firearm arm by X ray therefore making it suspicious that then it's acceptable to ship it to another country with the risk of it going missing when they merely have to call the local plod to the sorting office. Still just goes to show why their business model is dying and why there are other options than the Royal Mail out there.
     
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    What do you think their competitors chances of survival are? We are doomed! :p
     

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    Hate to be a pedant here but there's no such place as Southern Ireland. There's the Irish Republic, there's Éire but there aint no Southern Ireland :p
     
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    Hahahaha wasn't thinking of them but your point is taken.
     

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