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The right cartridge

Discussion in 'Shotguns (SGC)' started by scottwood, Sep 4, 2014.

  1. scottwood

    scottwood Engaging Member

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    Hi all

    So pritty new to shotgun shooting as I pick my first gun up on Saturday. It's a hatsan escort 12g. First question is that gun okay to start out with as I am going after pigeons and crows on my perm. Secondly what cartridges would you recommend as I was told with these guns the heavier the better for cycle reasons. Final question what shot should I get for shooting pigeons and crows?

    any advice grateful
    Thanks in advance.
    Scott
     
  2. terry1001

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    The gun should be ok, I don't like semi autos really but the newer models are less fussy than they used to be and it should cycle with any cartridges up to the maximum allowed. However unless you want to shake your fillings loose it might be a good idea to start with some medium loads, at least until you get used to shooting it. You need to try and balance shot load, shot size and choke against your quarry and the expected range. Again you need to get some experience with it but I would suggest that you start with a medium load of 6 shot and half choke maybe with a bit less choke if you're getting reasonably close.
    If you want to shoot at longer range (which isn't really a good idea for a novice) then go for 5 shot and 3/4 or full choke, if you hit anything close in with this combination it will only be fit for fox food. My own choice for all shooting except flight shooting wildfowl on the marsh is a double barrel with imp cylinder and 1/4 chokes and a light load of 7 shot which I find will bring down more or less anything that flies with the exception of geese.
    When you get some experience with the gun you can start tailoring your cartridges and chokes to suit your days shooting. Good luck with it.
     
  3. Evolve82

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    Really good advice from terry. If you are on a budget the some 29 or 32 6's should do the job. Express pigeon special are some decent cheap cartridges. If money is no object to you then 32 or 34 5's are great. I do not use them myself due to cost though.

    I stick to half choke- with my semi auto as seems to do the job.
     
  4. scottwood

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    I have been wondering how to practice as it's much different to air rifle practice . Because I have been told that clay shooting is not good practice for live quarry shooting. Anyway ideas or is it just gaining the experience as you go out?
     
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    If you've not previously done any shotgun shooting then you should start with some clays, it will allow you to get used to shooting under controlled conditions. A couple of lessons with a good coach will help you develop good habits before you start on live quarry. It can be very frustrating if you're not hitting your target and have no idea why and a coach will put you right.
     
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    Skeet may be your better option rather than sporting clays then. Much better to get your swing going before shooting pigeons!
     
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    hello, terrys advice is pretty spot on but if you have not used a shotgun before or the odd clays it has a lot more than just pulling the trigger, try find this book s/h the art of good shooting by major J E M Ruffer
     
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    Stick to no6 shot to start with in a 32 gram load. As you start to shoot better use some more choke and go up to 5 shot for longer shots if you wish.

    No 7 is ok for short range work but if used a little too far it does not have the killing power of 5 or 6 and will wound. No7 was popular back when cartridges did not throw the quality of pattern they do now.

    You will struggle to cycle a clay cartridge until you have a few rounds through the gun. Shoot some 32 gram loads first. Get some cardboard wallpaper ect and have a patterning session see what each of your chokes does with various shells ect.
    Don't baby the bolt forward.
    Enjoy the new gun.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    I have done some clay shooting before probably about 10 or 12 times not a great deal.
     
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    Is there any main essentials needed when purchasing a shotgun? Other then ear protection and ammo?
     
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    If your shooting clays I would also get some eye protection.
     
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    Cleaning kit.
    Cartridge bag.
    Cartridge belt.
    Priest of some kind.
    Ear protection and disposables for mates and for when you forget yours you have spares in the car.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    Keep it clean (on the inside!) Clean it after every shoot, do not oil the action.. they work better dry, and use ordinary car engine oil on the tube/slide/spring/O rings as it is more resistant to heat and reduces carbonising.. treat it this way and it will serve you well despite a lot of twaddle that is said on the forums about Hatsans (most of those who comment on them are not owners!).
     
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