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the new ns 50 (the viper)

Discussion in 'Night Vision Optics and Illumination' started by themadspread, Mar 17, 2014.

  1. themadspread

    themadspread Donator

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    reading on different forums the new viper is the same as the ns50 with a new silent brightness switch and different shape to back of screen box.others are saying its all new better quality parts.does anyone know for sure what the real truth is
     
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    real truth is you can build as good or better your self from plug n play parts for a fraction of the cost
     
  3. snapperspike

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    I mentioned this on another thread somewhere.
    Having a NS200 (I know, I know), and having talked to the factory on several occasions, the "improvements" are :-
    Different shape to IR emitter tube to allow 5 leds rather than 4
    Power switch on camera rear, to allow -
    Linear pot to adjust IR output rather than stepped.
    I also ASSUME, that to get the better distances they are claiming for the top end Eagle, they have either taken the IR filter off the camera this time, or more likely, replaced the camera with a better sensitivity model, such as the e700.
    The problem with all their systems is that they want the picture on the screen to have relatively good daytime colour, to claim day/night use, and as such, you pay the price by having an IR filter on the camera sensor, that reduces the performance at night by roughly 30% compared to one without.
    I have been comparing and experimenting with various combinations to prove all this over the last few weeks, to decide on my final diy build.
    What I can tell you is that
    a) if you use a NM800 with 2 batteries instead of the in built IR it dramatically improves the performance, because your chucking a lot more light out to compensate for the IR filter.
    b) If you use an alternative screen, it improves the clarity from the standard camera.
    c) an e700 camera and their screen with their IR is better than standard.
    d) an e700 + replacement screen + NM800 is a LOT better !
    Last night, I had 3 hares at 200 yards in the field next to us, and 5 roe deer at approx. 350 - 450yds.
    It was an ideal opportunity to confirm my experiments.
    Using the above combinations, the results were as I expected.
    The hares were "visible" on the standard NS200, but I wouldn't want to try a shot.
    With the diy set up, I could actually see them, in enough detail to see where their ears were laying, and fur detail.
    With the deer, they simply weren't visible with the NS200.
    With the diy, I had bright eye shine, and although no fur detail, they were a solid identifiable "silhouette" type target, that I could see well enough they're positions, and movement, ears etc and I would have had sufficient detail and clarity to take a kill shot.
    These experiments were all done through a Mamba 4 - 16X50, with a 16mm lens on the e700 camera (which gives an apparent slight increase in scope magnification) instead of the 12mm on the NS200, and were done at up to 16x mag !!
    It was better at 10x of course, and at 4x it was like daylight out to 300yds.
    I was impossible to use 16x mag with the standard NS200, and you have to bear in mind, that with the diy set up, at 16x mag, with the 16mm camera lens, that is probably equivalent to at least 18x mag.
    So, an extra £200 on top of the NS200 for their new Eagle, making it £899, buys you WHAT exactly, compared to roughly £250 (including NM800, but folks have cheaper alternatives on here) diy build ?
    Your choice !!!
     
  4. LuckySniper

    LuckySniper Busy Member

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    You have a PM snapperspike
     
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    FGYT Engaging Member

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    http://www.airgunforum.co.uk/forums...ally-got-a-Reasonably-wirefree-and-tidy-Build

    Im running an E700 no filter with a 12mm lens ( i prefer to maximise the FOV and use the scope to zoom in) on a 6-24 x scope (£100 camera DSA and plumbing adaptor)

    Im useing a set of Video goggles that are much higher res than the screens but a lot more expensive (£100 refurbished pair)

    FOr light im using a 940nm T20 torch with a Yukon lens (wouldnt need the yukon lens if it at all with a 850nm IR LED 4x the light then only £45 940 std T20 lens would still do most airgunners on more usual mag scopes )

    this i can use full 24x mag out to well over airgun range (can even use my original 10-50 x scope at 50 mag at 25yrds )
     
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    Interesting about the goggles, are they 640x480, and any links please ??
     
  7. FGYT

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    THey are Vuzix AV920 think they are discontinued now i got then from the Refurbished section here but long gone now http://store.vuzix.co.uk/acatalog/Refurbished.html

    the 280XL they have are only 320x 240 and the others are a lot of money even refurbed
     
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    Whish I hadn't read this, just brought an ns/200...... well happy with though to be fair, I am, yes, dont whish I made my own at all..... damit!!!! :)
     
  9. r10hunter

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    I have 2 sets of goggles one set are the vuzix 920 as above I got about 2 years ago when everyone was buying them. The others are these.
    http://bit.ly/1890er5
    While the vuzix are far better the eBay ones are good and do the job fine. The image appears huge and very detailed compared to a screen.

    They are a bonus for foxing etc where you don't want any light on your face from a screen while still allowing you to scan from the hip.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    Sorry !!
    But I can only speak as I find.
    I was happy with mine as well, and it was simply my own curiosity that made me buy a few bits, and discover things.
    As I said though, it IS a neat system, and it IS a good all in one system.
    It also comes down to what you want to do as well.
    I use rimfire/centrefire mainly for rabbits through to fox (and deer in daylight of course), so my needs, are probably different from many.
    If it does what you want and need, then REJOICE !!! :D:D
     
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  11. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    You won't want to hear that the Night Eye NE500 which is better than or equivalent to the NS200 only costs £418 then! I got one of those instead when the wife said she wanted to buy me an NS200, I suggested that and the fact she might let me keep the change.

    She did not take up the keep the change suggestion...
     

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