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Discussion in 'General chit chat' started by sharpshooterpete, Mar 24, 2015.

  1. sharpshooterpete

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    Evening all,

    I was meaning to post this a few months ago but I completely forgot to do it. I was wondering how many of you on here have gun dogs? I ask because I recently (I say recently but it was November last year) got myself a English Springer Spaniel puppy. His name is Bramble and he is nearly 6 months old now. Ive been training him since the day me and the wife picked him up and for 6 months old, he is doing really well. He comes from a bloodline of FT Champions so his natural ability to hunt/retrieve definitely helps and in a few years id like to see if he is capable of becoming a champion himself.

    Does anyone have a good tips or knowledge they would like to share when it comes to training? This is my first time training a gun dog and at times he really does test my patience! Heres a few pictures of him anyway,

    Pete.

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    he looks great :up:
     
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    I would love a springer but I will have to settle for my spaniel bichon frise cross called Bentley. I trained him using a plastic magpie and he is actually very good at retrieving .... Here he is as a puppy. Although he hasn't grown much since. He absolutely goes mental now if he sees a gun and his main problem is sitting still and not getting too excited. He loves to chase squirrels in fact his life is now spent looking out of the window trying to spot one. He will never be a great gun dog but he is tremendous fun to be with and I have tried my best with him.

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    He's a cracker!!!
     
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    Thats brilliant, I like how so many breeds that aren't classed as 'gun dogs' get used to be just that. He looks like a cracking little lad! :up:

    Pete.
     
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    Here is the i initial training of Bentley at 8 weeks old. He has lost a lot of his colour as he has grown up.

    Mal
    [video=youtube_share;gpD0aj5Y8CE]http://youtu.be/gpD0aj5Y8CE[/video]

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    He's a lovely looking chap,i can tell your very proud of him

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  8. r10hunter

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    Yes I am into my cockers. Here is my current one as a puppy about 4 yeas ago.

    He has since turned into a great gundog working many days a year picking up on game shoots, beating, decoying ect.
    Half the fun of shooting is watching your dog work.
    http://youtu.be/Pev-RyOCZG0
    http://youtu.be/_QnlC6aY_jI
    Cheers Andy
     
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    I totally agree Andy, it gives me great pleasure watching my pup working, when he's not being a pain that is! Your cocker seemed to be great when a pup, I can imagine how good he is now, my lad absolutely hates the water... He is very, very slowly starting to understand it but it is going to take a lot of work for him to be able to water retrieve.

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    He's a nice looking dog! 6 months is normally thought to be the age to start training a spaniel, a bit later with labs. Most people get problems when they try to rush the training and don't get the essentials completely instilled into the dog. Obviously people have different requirements for their gundogs/ shooting dogs but I think you do need them to respond instantly to the whistle, in particular they should stop immediately you tell them to and wait for instructions. A chap called P R A Moxon wrote some good books on the subject if you can find them, the local library or ebay might be a good source.
    With a young dog the training sessions should be short, if the dog seems to be getting bored then stop at once and do something else. It is a long process and you have to take it slowly and carefully. I often see dogs running in as soon as a gun is fired because they come to associate the shot with a retrieve, if this happens the chances of stopping this behaviour are almost nil. I think that following the routine laid out in a book does help you to keep some structure in the training process and should help you to avoid the common pitfalls, just take your time and good luck.
     
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    I used to train gundogs and had my own springer great whistle trained dog, she never saw the inside of a house though! Too many distractions. atb Paul.
     
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    Thanks for the advice and info on the book, I will have a look for it. I read the book 'total recall' by Pippa Mattinson, I found that to be a really good book. The one thing im having a little trouble with is the stop whistle... If he is between say, me to a distance of about 5 meters out and ive sent him out to retrieve , he understands the stop whistle and sits but anything further out he just ignores me...

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    Teach the stop whistle separate from retrieve until he is perfect don't mix the two. Stop him Close to you at first and then ever further away. When you are out walking stop him numerous times. You always walk to him once he has hupped at first to give praise don't call him off of the hup.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    Cheers Andy, I will give that a go and see how he gets on. :up:

    Pete.
     
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    Getting the dog to stop every time no matter what is the basis for everything else, Andys advice is spot on. If the dog runs in to retrieve you'll never stop it unfortunately, even when you put out stuff to retrieve don't let the dog get it all the time, pick it up yourself and carry on as normal. If the dog starts to associate a shot with a retrieve it's going to run in as soon as you fire and flush everything all around. Unfortunately the training process is slow and tedious, for you and the dog, but it has to be taken slowly as dogs are like small children they can only learn little bits at a time. They often have a natural instinct to hunt and collect dead animals but you have to modify that so that the retrieve is brought back to you and given to hand (not dropped on the ground 6 ft away) and only when you tell it to fetch.
     
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    He is getting there slowly with it however, the last few days he has been unbelievably disobedient with recalls if another dog is nearby. He was amazing with a recalls no matter what situation he was in, he would come straight back on the whistle. Ive read online that at this age it will get quite hard because its like he is undoing all the training you have done up to this point.

    Yesterday, I took him out the back of my house and walked up to the field to do some light training a bit of play time. On the way up we pass my neighbours dog and he wasnt really bothered and came away when recalled, which i was very happy with seeing as that is what ive had trouble with. The trouble began on the way back home, we were aprox 50m away from the said dog and I had just taken him off the lead again. He bolts towards this dog and does not respond to a thing I say, I turn back and walk away not saying anything and start to run, hoping he will chase for me but instead he JUMPS over the 3ft garden fence into their garden to play!! I was absolutely fuming. So from now on, hes going back on the lead and im going to have to start again with the recall training and instill a bit of discipline back into him.

    Pete.
     
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    Just the normal ups and downs of training. Keep plugging away 10 mins twice a day. You will get there. You have plenty of time in a couple of months he will settle down a bit and be a lot less hard work.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    Nice Wellies and to find some that came with a free springer Spaniel, good deal.

    Seriously, I grew up with Spaniels and they are great companions, mainly Cocker Spaniels but now I am allergic to dogs so cant have them around me.
     

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