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The last one - Steyr LG110 Hunting

Discussion in 'Gun Gallery' started by cloverleaf, Feb 4, 2018.

  1. cloverleaf

    cloverleaf Super Moderator Staff Member Mod/Admin

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    Another boring and potentially demoralising update, probably more for my benefit than anyone elses..

    Took the chance to do some more pellet testing last night as conditions were good.. usual format; 4x10 shot groups at 55yds from the bench.

    First up were some 2017 AADFs which managed groups of between 20 and 25mm c-c for a mean of a shade over 23mm; hardly spectacular and sodding typical considering I have nine more bloody tins!

    Next up I tried the 4.53 Exacts that had shown promise last time. These managed five groups ranging from 17mm c-c up to 26.5mm; although the largest group was the first and this was spoilt by the first shot - which if excluded gave a group of 21mm c-c (joint largest with another). Taking all groups the Exacts managed a mean group size of 20.5mm c-c, excluding the first shot shrinks this to 19.4mm and excluding the first group brings this down to 19mm c-c:

    [​IMG]

    So, no stellar groups but at least the performance was pretty consistant across each type of pellet and I'm getting some reasonable groups with the Exacts; even if none were quite as good as the single hope-fuelling group I shot with them last time. Looking on the bright side sorting by mass and head size will probably shrink the groups a little more.


    On a more positive note since the weather was so nice I pushed out to 100yd to shoot a couple of groups with the Exacts. The first was medicre at maybe 60mm c-c excluding one flier that went very, very low. The next group was a nice contrast however; the LG dropping 10 shots into 36mm c-c which I believe is a new record for the rifles I've tested - beating the 44mm c-c managed by my Mk2 Pro-Target last year :)

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    Since the new barrel's had maybe 500 rounds through it now I elected to give it a clean earlier in the day. The first (oiled) patch was by far the dirtiest; coming out saturated with dark grey filth and the odd shiny lead fragment. From this point on they looked better and by maybe the 8th patch the worst of it was out. I kept going in an effort to get the barrel spotless and by the 15th patch I figured it had had enough as the patches were only showing very faint lead traces corresponding with the rifling lands.

    In summary, while filthy it seemed that the bore cleaned up fairly quickly; with the process feeling smooth and free of detectable fluctuations in bore diameter. Looking at the muzzle there appear to be no traces of lead visible and I'm back to the disconcerting if probably inconsequential radial scuffs; which are evidently too fine to retain any lead depsits.

    Here are the patches, FWIW:

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    The plan now is to re-test the same pellets with the clean barrel to see if there's any discernible difference in performance then probably look into sorting the least-worst in an effort to shrink group sizes..
     
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    cloverleaf Super Moderator Staff Member Mod/Admin

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    Another fairly inconsequential and lack-lustre update.

    I got the chance to test the rifle post-barrel clean a while ago; same drill as usual with groups of 10 shot at 50m off front and rear bags in almost no wind:

    [​IMG]

    As can be seen the AADFs continued to be less than great; showing the most variability in group size (13-30.5mm c-c) and a mean size of 21.1mm c-c over the four groups. The Exacts were far more consistant with groups ranging from 18-20.5mm c-c and a mean of 19.9mm c-c across the four.

    Finally, in contrast to the results of the initial testing (before the barrel was cleaned) the AADEs showed more promise with groups ranging from 17.5-25.5mm c-c; however the worst was the first group shot with these pellets (and the outlier that causes it to be so large potentially being the first shot) so these could possibly be discounted.

    The mean group size overall for these three groups with the AADEs was 20.1mm c-c, however removing one shot reduced this to 17.1mm which is getting close to as good as one can reasonably expect from unsorted pellets from the tin IMO. Also, looking at the groups pictured above one can see how the AADE groups look a lot more tight than those shot with the others.

    On the down side the groups are still not as small as I'd like them, on the up side the gun seems to perform very consistantly (most pellets have produced mean groups sizes of around 20mm c-c give or take, with few groups significantly larger than this) which gives me hope.

    Next step is to pull my finger out and weight-sort some of the AADEs, maybe the Exacts and (if I'm feeling particularly masochistic) possibly some of the AADFs as well; then re-test...
     
  3. cloverleaf

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    A small update..

    A while ago I was very kindly gifted a Pelletgage to allow pellets to be sorted by head size and as a result now have some sorted pellets for testing; although I've not got around to it and tbh am pretty unexcited by the prospect of more bench-based OCD anxiety-fuel :rolleyes:

    I have been using the LG on the indoor range though and I think it's insideously worked its way into my favours as I find myself increasingly picking it up by default when leaving for the club :)

    Last week's task was to concentrate on relaxation and slow, measured shooting. At one point I got the rifle on target, closed my eyes for maybe 10 seconds and relaxed - opening my eyes again to find the rifle pointing about 2ft above the target! I Repeated this with the much the same results so removed one pair of spacers from the palm shelf; bringing the POA much closer to the centre of the target.

    I fine-tuned my stance to get the rifle pointing as close to my intended POA by moving my feet - pivoting the rear around the front to adjust windage, reducing the distance between feet to bring the POA down and the opposite to go up. I've used this technique with pistols for a while but never really thought / bothered to apply it to rifles - the (very sound) theory being that if you're not naturally pointing at the targt centre you'll fatigue faster in trying to pull the gun onto the target; while in the event of relaxing after the shot release or snatching the trigger you're more likely deflect in the direction of where the rifle wants to naturally point.

    Anyway, post-correction and wearing my magic jumper I shot the two targets below - so will be paying more attention to my stance / natural alignment in future :)

    [​IMG]
     
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    A small update.. Managed 394 ex 400 in a team comp today; two points better than last year and since I guess these are the only two comps I've used it in, a PB with this rifle. I think I might have shot a 398 in the past with the rimfire. although equally I might just be making that up. Anyway, I certainly can't complain about the LG's performance.

    Today also yielded probably the smallest / tidiest group I've shot under LSR conditions; although admittedly it's only 5 shots:

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    [​IMG]


    All in all I'm currently pretty happy with the LG - it's still not perfect (plus I still have some concerns about grouping at range) and took took a long time and a lot of adjustment to reach the point we're at now, but it's really grown on me.

    I'm thinking I might up the trigger weight a bit in future as I was getting a bit skittish today as the fatigue set in towards the end, but short of finding some way to cure the striker bounce (the gun lacks the space, I lack the intellect) or sorting a viable mod solution (it still probably wouldn't fit in the bloody case anyway) I think it'll be staying as is for the foreseeable :)
     
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    Great job Mike ~ what a rig :up::cool::up:
     
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    audi swift Man up & pull the bloody trigger.... HFT 101.

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    Nice one :thumb:
     
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    tidy group that :) What distance was it and was it a standing shot?
     
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    Cheers guys :)

    Thanks - it was shot at 20yd freestanding. Of course they weren't all like that and as usual I had my fair share of 9s!
     
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    audi swift Man up & pull the bloody trigger.... HFT 101.

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    :eek: Wish I could be half that good!
    I hate freestanding shots in HFT even if I got one yesterday in a competition :D
     
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    A couple of pics of my latest purchase, Steyr Hunting but decked our with the FT, HFT and a few other bits ordered from Steyr UK when ordering the gun. I preferred the longer barrel but wanted the Hamster, Air Stripper and more adjustable Butt as with my FT900 which I've just sold.

    The 900 was to heavy even stripped down with the Rowan carbon shrouds and stripper fitted, having not been in the best of health for a while and treatment which basically knackers me..... I needed an as accurate gun but lighter, the Steyr seemed the answer which I think it is but only had it a week so time will tell.

    I would agree with Cloverleaf that the trigger mechanism, although it does the job seems a bit on the cheap side with those star grip washers, looks like something off the wheels of a kids old tricycle, they could do better and compared to the 900 it seems a cost saving exercise but without passing the cost saving on....

    The Stock is adequate and the tip about adding a spacer under the chin rest bracket is something I may try although at the moment it fits my face profile fine, but there are some ugly mugs and strange looking faces in the shooting world out there I think you would agree, so it may come in handy for even me or others... Ha-ha...:)

    The bench rest Bipod is from my 900, 'Grunig' and fits straight onto the lower rail, slightly modified with longer studs to get the height, damn expensive but well made and very useful, it can stay on in the collapsed setting apparently if you want during comps, legal but obviously you cant use it but adds a little weight to the front which can help.

    The scope riser rail, needed so I can get my fingers in to insert a pellet was straight off the 900, same height as the Steyr option one and fits almost perfectly and saved me £90...! medium comp mounts and a Hawke first focal plane scope 4 - 16, normally set at 12.

    The Hamster as has been mentioned before on here is wood painted black so I have added the luxury of some trimmed to fit, 2" self adhesive Velcro, the eye part, soft but strong like Andrex.... to stop it getting scratched, just don't have the Hook part on your gloves or you'll be stuck to it....

    A scope cover cap over the air gauge to stop any scratches, £1.79 off eBay and a trustee piece of elastic cord to stop me loosing then £12 ish fill hole plug...

    The Air stripper is the genuine Steyr one ordered at the time, I wont say much as strippers (both kinds) always create over zealous discussions, like Marmite you love em or hate them... I like it..

    I've Chrono'd the gun and a fraction under 16J with AirArms Diablo Fields 4.52 0.547g so for the time being I'll leave it alone but I just know I will end up following Cloverleaf's "adjustments" in the not to distant future...

    I do HFT and once I have given it a good going over and sorting I'll come back with my thoughts... mind I've still got my AA510 Sportster to fall back on if needed.. I hope not...
    Also what I meant to say was although I liked the FT model, it always remind me a bit of a Sten Gun... I like a wooden stock so this fitted the bill but with the accuracy and nice lower weight of the Steyr.

    Anway I hope there might be a tip here for someone.....


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    Hi Cloverleaf... I've read all of the update to change the port from UK nanny to Black, but cant quite understand if you actually ended up changing the Reg pressure or eventually left it at about the 85 and just adjusted the rear power adjustment down....? Have I missed something.

    Cheers

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    Two changes I made which personally have been an improvement.

    Threw away the trigger shoe and washers replacing it with a Pinkney Engineering button trigger, available via ebay.

    Replaced the slot head screw through the rail clamp with an m3 x 8 countersunk allen screw so I don't have to carry a screwdriver around.

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    I did alter the reg pressure but ultimately it wasn't really necessary as it was already in pretty much the correct place to start with.. it seems that all Steyr do to appease the ridiculous demands of "the UK industry" is to fit the smaller port and wind the striker spring preload up to compensate, while leaving the reg pressure at its standard 16J value.

    As such, like any other regged gun it will most likely benefit to some extent from a full test and setup, but in this case the rifle would have functioned near-optimally had I just replaced the port and adjusted the striker as appropriate.
     
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    Mine is much better for doing just that, transfer port and back the hammer tension off, much nicer now and more shots.
     
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    Thanks for the clarification, this is something that sounds worth doing and simple to return to standard should any anomalies arise that required the gun to be returned under any warranty situation.
    I was very impressed with the level of detail and knowledge you go into.... where do you find the time... haha.. but be assured this is the level of detail people need and it is nice to see, certainly appreciated by myself and many more from what I see.
     
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    Thanks for the thought - as it happens I have that model on another rifle, but don't think it'd be suitable for the LG given the already significant reach to the blade. In any case I'd pretty happy with the original blade now its been properly setup :)
     
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    HI, ok, I was also thinking of it for myself as well perhaps, although the original seems generally good, I believe you are left handed do you think that could be making a difference to your trigger set up, I see the rail is a double, for left hand set up is the trigger fitted to the other side...?
    I will have to consider this new one, only had the gun for a week or so, so will get used to it properly first... as a side note, I've ordered the Black port... knew I would have to.. ha-ha.. Thanks. Malc
     
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    I think all of this is pretty specific to the end user. If you have long fingers then this blade might be usable on this gun; but in my case it would have pushed the contact area even further forward than with the standard blade (which is only just-about right when set as far back as possible).

    Again the rail you use is really a matter of personal preference; I can't remember which rail my blade went onto (you can probably tell from the photos) but it was wherever it felt most comfortable.. probably on the LH rail to keep the reach minimal but given that the blade can rotate around either rail to set its position across the gun this is potentially not too important.

    I'd completely agree with your approach - see what you can do with the standard setup before chucking any more money at nice but pricey "upgrades" :)
     
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