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The last one - Steyr LG110 Hunting

Discussion in 'Gun Gallery' started by cloverleaf, Feb 4, 2018.

  1. cloverleaf

    cloverleaf Super Moderator Staff Member Mod/Admin

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    Good work - I bet that's a bit of a contrast :p

    Ref. the shot count - as per my thoughts in this thread, the obvious suggestion is that the reg pressure is too low and the striker spring pre-load too high. If mine's anything to go by you should get close to ideal by just fitting the black port and adjusting the striker to suit, although it's possible the reg could have been altered. Not sure about the consistency I'm afraid; you could check the usual suspects - pellets, leaks at breech and transfer port - does the barrel lock up OK or is it sloppy? Can you feel any air escaping from around these parts when the gun is fired?

    Just out of interest, do you still have the hamster and scope raiser? Depending on what they are / their condition I might be interested if you fancy dropping me a PM :)
     
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    thanks for reply i might give Harry a ring it is 2011 model so might be worth letting him check it out yes i still have the hamster and scope raiser
     
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    Lovely rifle, and a great write up. Thank you.
     
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    Great read can't wait for the next instalment!
    I too am looking into a 110 at the moment and I must say the hft hunting is definately the better looking of the 110 family :thumb:
     
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  5. cloverleaf

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    Thanks chaps :)

    Not a lot to report with this rifle currently.. the scope has remained off following the damage caused by the mounts (separate thread to follow, as and when). In addition I noticed some contamination around the ret (lots of little spots - not immediately obvious but bloody annoying once you knew they were there!) so the scope went back to Hawke under their excellent 10yr warranty.

    Some time later I was rewarded with a brand new, current-spec replacement :) This is fantastic service for such a reasonably budget scope; considering the original (Mk1) Pano was bought around 5yrs ago.

    On the one hand I'm pleased to have a new scope (especially because the one I sent back had a few dings and the replacement has a noticeably finer ret). On the other I do prefer some things about the earlier model - it's a fair bit lighter for a start, plus came with (admittedly cheapo) flip-up covers.. while the later model's non-rotating front section makes fitting slip-on flip-ups a pain and I'm buggered if I'm spending £40 on a pair of Hawke's screw in items. Mustn't grumble though!

    Not sure if I mentioned it previously but I also replaced the card packing pieces in the cheekpiece with a plastic alternative, lashed up from an Eley .22LR cartridge box. It's not the finest craftsmanship (and the plastic is a bit manky - I reckon it's Polyurethane and it shares that slightly tacky feel of AA exhaust valve heads) however it does the job and is reasonably visually unobtrusive:

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    Anyway, that's all for now - currently looking into alternative scope mounting solutions as the ergonomics are pretty crap with the scope as low as it was.. I've been looking into rail options but they all seem to punt the scope too high up in the air; while I really want to avoid separate mounts due to the poor experience I've had so far, plus I hate the look of scopes jacked right up in the air on high mounts. Thinking a pair of BKL mediums are the best bet currently as they'll give me maybe 6-7mm more height over the Sportsmatch lows that were on the gun and will hopefully be kinder to the scope rail.
     
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    Ill be interested in scope raiser if your selling it after clover of course :p
     
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    Hi Raven Clover said he was thinking about it if he comes on and don't want it it is yours what about Hamster are you intrested in that ? thanks
     
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    No not the hamster just the raiser and that depends on the price you can p.m. and let me know.

    andy
     
  9. cloverleaf

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    Time's tight but a bit more progress has been made..

    After uncovering the horrors of Sportsmatch mounts I finally got around to buying some BKLs. How long's it take to chuck a scope on a rifle? Half an hour if you're really taking your time? Try three and a half!

    I've decided to to use PVC tape between the mounts and scope tube on all my airguns (well, PCPs certainly) in an effort to avoid tube deformation / cosmetic damage. When the mounts are used bare, no matter how gently the bolts are tightened I usually find some sort of witness mark on the tubes when removing them; which greatly offends my OCD, devalues the scope and looks tatty if it's moved in the mounts / to another gun etc.

    I have no love for cheapo mounts, however I can appreciate the use of tape in some to cushion the interface between the scope and mount (even if it is probably only to account for slop in manufacturing) and I rarely if ever find damage on scope tubes from such mounts.

    I cut 8-off 25mm x 11mm strips of black PVC electrical tape to go inside the rings. I used a piece of old plastic packaging as a cutting board, with the added bonus discovered later that since the original cutting had scored the plastic I now have a convenient template for repeating the exercise in future; which should speed it up considerably as you just have to align your straight edge with the scores and run a blade along it :)

    As an aside I was pleased to be able to recycle some single-use plastic packaging; as the amount of this stuff I (and we as a race) discard after one, trivial use (mostly food packaging) has been weighing increasingly on my mind recently and I'm going to make a conscious effort to select products that contain less plastic packaging in future. Plastics are a very versatile material and I'm not arguing against their use; however using them for items intended for one short period before they;re chucked it in the sea seems like the height of stupidity and carelessness tbh :(

    Anyway, I digress.. my little cutting jig with the remnants of the last cutting exercise still present:

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    Before applying the tape to the mounts they were wiped over liberally with oil. This reduces the tackyness of the tape's adhesive and allows them to be "floated" into place when pressure is applied to them. Centralising them can be done first by eye then by reversing two mounts next to each other and checking that the edges of the tape on each one aligns, then rotating one 180 degrees and checking again. The tape can then be moved as appropriate by applying pressure and pushing in the desired direction.

    Tape in place:

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    I was fully prepared to have to jack the mounts apart to get them onto the gun. While it looks like the manufactures have made a bit of an effort to flatten / true the ends of the mount screws to facilitate this, I was less than impressed to find that they were still well on the p**s.

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    I lack the facilities to clean these up currently, so enlisted another piece of scrap 0.5mm thick plastic and made a crude sacrificial "packer" to go between the screw and mount during the jacking process and prevent / reduce damage to the surface of the mount:

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    To my surprise this wasn't required, and to my annoyance the mounts found to be really quite sloppy on the rails. Trying to tighten them up on the rails was an unpleasant experience as the considerable torque required caused them to rotate on the dovetail, forcing diagonally-opposite ends of their clamps into hard contact with the gun; something that could potentially cause damage.

    I removed the mounts and cranked them up as tight as I dared (not a pleasant experience when it takes quite a lot of load and you can hear what I can only assume is the anodising cracking in areas of high stress). I tried them back on the gun and they were still sloppy - time to reassess the situation.

    I tried adding some strips of PVC tape to the inside of the mounts, but you could still have driven a bus down the gap between them and the rail. I then cut some 25mm x 2mm strips of plastic (again from the recycle bin!) and slid them in between the rail and mounts on either side. 0.5mm thickness on each side proved too much, however 0.3mm turned out to be pretty much bang on - requiring a shove to get it in but no jacking / spreading of the mounts and minimal tightening of the mount retaining bolts.

    After this the scope was mounted in the normal way. Thanks to the short tube sections on the Panorama and the length of the BKL double-strap mounts I had all of about 7mm choice in longitudinal positioning of the scope, however this proved to be fine.

    I'm ambivolent about the mounts - I really dislike the amount of torque required to deform their clamps into position as it masks the amount that's actually being applied as clamping force to the rail, plus causes them to twist if they're a sloppy fit.. which can't be good. I think the "live" clamp format of the BKLs certainly has its benefits (centralisation on rail, less chance of damage - twisting not withstanding). However, it only really works when the mounts are a good close fit on the rail in question (so require minimum deflection to clamp adiquately) which on the Steyr they're obviously not; with around 0.6mm slop between parts.

    The mounts themselves seem well made, although I'm not impressed by the finish on the ends of the screws as this will doubtless cause damage to the mount if used without anthing to separate them. I was also disappointed to find that the anodising had cracked off around one of the threaded jacking holes on one of the mounts once I'd used it, which IMO is pretty poor.

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    The rifle went up the club last night and I had an enjoyable evening plinking in the glorious weather; the rifle turning in some promising groups. These mounts are mediums so around 6-7mm taller than the outgoing lows; head position now feeling a lot less cramped although perhaps still not ideal. Anyway, here's how it currently stands:

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    :)
     
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    Good Customer Service from Hawke Mike, we've come to expect this from them and well done to them again :thumb:

    Ray
     
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    Thats a lovely looking rig Mike and certainly on my Santa list.

    Kev
     
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    Cheers guys :)

    Just realised I've repeated myself about the scope being replaced... shows how much attention I'm paying :p
     
  13. cloverleaf

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    Not had chance to do a lot recently, however I did find a little time on a few occasions to do a bit more on the LG.

    A while ago I got sucked into playing with the trigger blade adjustment; setting aside my "keep everything symmetrical and straight" mantra in favour of sticking the trigger blade wherever it contacted the pad of my trigger finger squarely when said finger was in a natural, resting position.

    This resulted in the blade being anything but square.. normally I prefer them set up so that the force applied to the trigger is along the principal axis of the rifle; meaning (in theory) that you're less likely to pull the shot of target during trigger release. With this rifle however, the release weight is so low that this really shouldn't be an issue. Besides, the movement required to release the trigger should just be a case of flexing the tip of the trigger finger, so if done correctly it really shouldn't matter which way it's acting.

    Adjustment predictably took bloody ages, due partially to my continued inabilty to get it right / keep making ever-finer adjustments, plus the fact that the blade assy was swapped from one "rail" to the other (probably pointlessly, now I think about it) which proved to be a sod as the main trigger block needs to be held in the rearward "firing" position to expose the end of the rail and allow the blade to be fitted, while the blade needs to be spread to get it to slide over the rail. In the end I resorted to sticking an allen key in the slot and using the (padded) clamp screw reversed and acting against the flat face of the key to jack the two halves apart while it was fitted. What a polava!

    Anyway, this is how it now stands:

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    I also got around to ordering some fixings recently.. some of which were some self-colour socket bolts to replace the bright-zinc-plated pozidrives that hold on the cocking lever handle.

    Old (left) and new screws:

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    New ones fitted:

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    The replacements are a touch deeper in the head so stick out a shade more than the originals, but it's no big deal and I think they look so much better :)


    I also got a small bag of M8x16 dog point grub screws to replace the flat-point item used on the cheekpiece adjustor, as for some reason the threads on the original screw were marking the side of the slot in the adjustor upright. Steyr UK were great as usual in supplying me with a replacement upright, however I wasn't convinced that the problem wouldn't just re-occur if the same screw was used, so I opted for one with no threads at its end.

    The new upright and screw were fitted with no dramas, although unfortunately the screw tip isn't as flat as the one it replaces; however it's only just nipped up (so causing no damage) and I'll sort this out at some point when I have the facilities. Anyway, old screw (left) and new:

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    Finally, perhaps the most significant mod of the lot. Many moons ago I acquired (I think with my old NJR) a couple of Wegu LH-cast angled buttpad spacers. I finally dug these out today, stripped them, tidied the edges a little, gave everything a clean and the plastic bits a good scrub in hot soapy water and a light rubbing of stock oil (linseed oil works wonders on black plastic trim ;) ). I trial fitted one and both on the rifle; two clearly being too much.

    So far one seems grand though; its angle aids fitment in the shoulder, the spacing adds some welcome length to the pull and the fact there's another spacer gives a greater range of vertical adjustment; allowing me drop the buttpad even lower:
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    The addition of the angled spacer has greatly improved ergonomics; allowing a more upright / relaxed neck position and making the rifle feel more comfortable and stable on aim. Needless to say I'm looking forward to testing it out on Wednesday night.

    That's all for now :)
     
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    That's one sweet rifle well done it a credit to your work
     
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    nice thread, good photos and dedicated explanation..
     
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    Cheers chaps :)
     
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    I missed one of these last week. Gutted as it went for a song.
     
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    How did I miss this thread :facepalm:. Wow......superb write up and excellent photos as to be expected :thumb:. Worthy of inclusion into some of the monthly air gunning magazines......in fact it's probably too good for most. Thanks CL :up:
     
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    Another great read mr clover, thanks for spending the time and sharing:thumb:

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    Cheers guys - glad you're enjoying the read :)

    Sadly circumstances dictate that I've not really got a lot to report at the moment and tbh have lost my mojo somewhat :(

    The LG is generally very technically impressive, however is put in the shade ergonomically by a lot of more meagre offerings and tbh I'm not really feeling the urge to use it (that said I'm not really feeling the urge to use anything currently). I think a palm shelf would help greatly; however I'm not really keen on any of the offerings I've seen - Steyr or otherwise..
     

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