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Good news The hard to get hold of NV Photon

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by andyhawkx3, Jan 30, 2014.

  1. andyhawkx3

    andyhawkx3 Major Poster

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    Plenty on ebay me grumpy old chum , i emailed one seller who told me he was selling it because it was Crap :eek: dont seem to be getting top prices oer there :up:
     
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    :up:
    Sugar :mad: ordered one today :eek:
    let ya know what I think of em when I try it out, thanks for the heads up mate ;)
     
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    Word is they need a better IR, the NM400IR got one of them on order for my newcom, git a go anyway, never say never bud :D
     
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    I'm not absolutely sure but my local Forest lodge in wragby might be worth a call I think they have 2 in stock.
    Hth
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    Some folks seem to get on better with them than others.

    Personally I'd take a stunning dayscope that I can add NV to rather than a barely adequate dayscope that's OK at night (does better with more IR though).

    My mate is blown away by his.

    I wasn't, which is why I sold it to him :)
     
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    I guess it depends on your expectations, I'm very pleased with mine which is one of the first to reach the shops. The standard ir is a laser which conforms to the newest eyesafe regulations and it is nowhere near as good as a decent led torch, especially one with zoom and adjustable power although if you're going to use it just for, say, 30-40 yard rabbits you can set a non zooming torch to give the correct amount of light.
    The Photon is very sensitive and doesn't need much light at all to produce shootable images. As a dayscope it's at a disadvantage compared to a conventional scope, it's a black/white image with a lower resolution and it's obvious that some buyers don't realise this hence some of the comments. Probably best used on a dedicated night vision rifle which, if you need to, you can use in daylight.
    The only mods I have made to mine are an amber flip up over the eyepiece (to reduce the glare a bit), replace the daylight slip on filter with a flip up type and a led torch.
    The scope is a 5x42 not a 12-50x60 and users should think about how much magnification they need first and the reticle is a simple one without multiple aim points, just nice and simple.
     
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    I do alot of night target shooting (Paper punching) .. As you guys know, land or shooting clubs during the day is very hard to come by as are are waing lists, you never know this may become a shooting club sport as its alot harder to shoot/judge a distance at night with NV, someone needs to do it first lol
     
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    ditto, i was going to get a photon but went nv ad on route, much more practical
     
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    I think there may be a quality control issue with the Photon ,going by the various reviews I've read over the last few months. I got mine 4 weeks ago and I find it performs pretty good as a daytime scope.Ok its no where near as good as a normal scope but clarity wise I can zero it in easily at my shooting distance. As for night time use , as long as you have a reasonable IR Torch , the display is excellent.
    Using a T20 ir torch I can spot rabbits to 200 yards . Within shooting ranges it shows really clear images. If its not a quality control issue then its the user that has not done the little tweaks that make it A LOT better.
    Just by adding a lens cap with a 1" hole makes it less focus fussy so reducing the need to refocus a certain distances. For the money its brilliant, I am shootingg lamp shy rabbits with ease now so much so I am cutting my shooting hours down as I have too many bunnies in the freezer!
    The only little quirk i have noticed is that unless you are viewing through the scope dead centre then the image deteriorates a little but that can also be a good thing as it makes your shots more consistant as you get used to the Photon.
    I would not take too much from the negative reviews and take more from the positive ones.
    Best decision Ive made to buy one, plenty sport and fun!
     
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    I used one the other week. The standard IR aint very
    good. Add your own and the photon is **** hot. At the price night vision costs aswell
    it dont get much better. Its nice and light my mates was mounted on standard 30mm mounts so its possible to have it sitting nice and low. Ive looked threw alot of top
    NV scopes as im military. i shot wednesday night and signed out a viper which is thermal
    to use to spot the rabbits. And For air rifle ranges the photon is just as good. Whoever buys
    one wont go far wrong
     
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    As I said earlier it's about expectations. The Photon is a nv scope which can be used in the day, you're not going to get Zeiss quality optics in daytime but in the dark it does a very good job.
    There will always be people who like to tweak their kit to try and improve on the standard item, that is intended to work reasonably well for a wide variety of users in all sorts of different conditions/renges and to conform to local laws and standards so it's bound to be a compromise.
    The system is a small CMOS camera looks at the target and displays the image on a tiny screen which is viewed and magnified by the eyepiece lens. The camera is extremely sensitive too ir light and is helped by the fact that the light doesn't have to travel all the way through a daylight scope to get to the sensor. The image quality is limited by the camera and, more importantly, the display screen. Better cameras and screens are available now so I wouldn't be at all surprised if a 'super' Photon were already being tested - it won't cost £400 unfortunately - as the initial units have sold well and I'm sure that Yukon can see a market among shooters with deeper pockets.
    There are plenty of people who complain that the Photon is 'focus fussy' which is a result ofneeding to get as much light as possible to the sensor at night. A lens cover, with a deep red filter, is provided for daytime use and using it does make the image a lot crisper in light conditions. Unfortunately this part looks to be easy to lose so I have replaced it with a flip up which has a hole in it of about the same size and backed by a red (photo quality) filter. This just prevents the sensor from being overloaded beyond the point where the electronics can deal with the amount of light. In darkness I simply adjust my torch and dial up the Photon setting to give a clear image which is not too bright. In order to help retain some of my own night vision in my right eye I have fitted an amber flip up to the rear.
    I do find the focuusing ring to be stiff but I put a coaster on it and now it works fine and it rarely needs adjusting.
     
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    Well pleased with it so far, I class it as 5x :up: better than my old Russian DN140 this class may go up or down, as I have not used the photon in the field yet, only used scope at night upto 20yds in my garden, wonder if those that complian about IR being inadequate know there 3 ajustment's to brightness, simply by pressing a button at the rear of the IR .. just a thought that I had .. (Dont kick off :p)


    (see later post re different setting for the ir source)
     
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    They have a few in the local shooting range. I'm really tempted
     
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    There's already a super photon, it's called the Digisight N550/750.
     
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    Yep at the grand sum of £1,000 to £1,400
     
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    Hey Andy,
    Are you saying that the built in IR torch on the Photon has 3 settings?
     
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    That's right but I'm expecting to see a new model, there is a fair bit of nv equipment about to reach the shops as well and there does seem to be a bit of an upsurge in interest from the makers probably driven by increased demand from users. The diy digital equipment has pushed standards and expectations and the manufacturers are, it seems, rising to the challenge and starting to offer better kit at lower prices - we will see what the year holds in store.
     
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    Yes I was, but made the fastastic mistake, of forgetting that I was trying the photom for the 1st time in my back garden, BIG BIG MIsstake .. (Before posting, thinking when/every time I pressed my IR on the photom, I got a differant setting :eek: ... Not true sorry, there is only one setting) as our back garden in my street, back onto a industrial estate, so most if not all the houses have cctv with IR plus extra IR solar energy lamps, these camra's and lamps must have been kicking in when I was trying the scope very sorry guys an gals for my comment before, I'll get the mods to remove them
     

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