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The FAC process

Discussion in 'Firearms Certificate (FAC) Guns' started by Kyska, Jan 28, 2011.

  1. Qujaho

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    Sorry if this has been answered, how would something like the FX Impact on an FAC it has interchangeable calibres and the ability to change the power output. Would you need permission for every calibre? Or just one for the actual rifle?

    Secondly would you then be able to use that rifle in your own garden with power dialled down to sub 12lb?

    How would something like that work for permission that you have as an air rifle but not as fac, you have the ability to dial the power up even if you dont use it. You still have the potential fro the point of view of the law not as the user.

    I dont have an FAC but may go down that route and the Fx impact appears to offer an awful lot of options for just one rifle.
     
  2. r10hunter

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    A gun held on FAC is always FAC regardless of the power it's running at. If the land is not approved by the police or you have an open FAC you may not use the gun on that land regardless of the power you run.

    Using an FAC weapon in your garden ( normal semi detached garden ) would be frowned on by the police but may be legal if you were able to obtain an open FAC (to zero only)

    You may not plink or target shoot with an FAC gun except at a proper approved range.
    Even on your permission plinking and target shooting is not allowed with an FAC gun.

    You would need a slot on your FAC for each barrel you wanted. But there would be no extra cost to this on your application.

    Best bet keep a sub 12 and get a dedicated FAC airgun for your permission.
    Cheers Andy
     
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  3. DaltonSexton

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    Wow. SMH. Just wow. Now how long does it take you poor Brits to get a permit to urinate and how much more will it cost to include a defecation permit? I hate to hear all of these extensive hoops you must jump through. Great write up! Seriously, this would be a rather daunting task uninformed. It was easier for me to adopt my daughter!

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    the urinate permit arrives a lot quicker than the bull..s.h.i.t permit lol
     
  5. MartinJGUK

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    Nearly 300 people a day are shot in the USA. I think we'll keep things as they are thanks
     
  6. DaltonSexton

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    If you compare apples to apples, my state of Georgia is larger than England. It is a bit smaller if you include Wales and Scotland. However, I figure this will properly illustrate my point since Georgia has some of the most lenient gun laws in the US and the UK is more strict than all US states. (as far as I know)

    This is strictly focused on murder rates in general, not gun crime. My point for the generalization is that if someone is bent on doing harm... Over regulation or availability of certain methods will not make A difference.

    Secondly... I am only shaking my head regarding AIR weapons. These are not often the weapon of choice for criminal activity. At least in the USA. But of course, if all firearms and blades were outlawed, then the next weapon of choice will be baseball (or cricket) bats or bamboo skewars.

    Incidentially, appx. 80%+ of these murders in Ga were in the Atlanta city limits and often were minority on minority or gang/drug related.

    Being part of the heart of the civil rights movement, Atlanta is a minority mecca, and appears to have a higher crime rate as a result.

    Even though I can better illustrate my example in my favor by using other states, I feel it only proper to represent the state of my residence.

    It was tricky to find statistics from the same year. Comparing different years can swing the pendulum either direction.



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  7. MartinJGUK

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    The idea of the 12ft lbs limit is that beyond that power level the pellet can easily penetrate a human skull. That’s why above that level they are classed as firearms. There’s nothing wrong with legislation to limit the ownership of something that’s designed for killing, as recent events in the USA sadly prove. You keep your “laws” and we’ll keep ours if that’s alright with you
     
  8. rich79

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    America doesn't need to limit what type of guns it sell or how many, what it does need to do is put in place a system to stop people with mental illness or delusional sociapathic tendencies from being able to just buy a firearm simply because they're allowed to according to a piece of paper that's 300 odd years old.
    I like America & if I lived there I wouldn't wish for the the things they have to be taken away, maybe their health system needs looking at more than their gun laws.
     
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    That's a gross over simplification of the situation in the USA and totally intellectually dishonest.

    America doesn't have a gun problem.
     
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    Will complete my FAC/probationary period shortly, at my club and be applying/competing FAC app/Police form. However I am a little confused. I cannot purchase anything without an FAC. I do not know at the moment what I want, or what is available. I cannot walk into a RFD and say I want "that one, here is my FAC", because I cannot apply for an FAC without stating on my application what I actually want.... It all seems a little catch 22. Can I put on the application, the 'sort' of thing that I 'will' be buying,, rather than the actual thing that I have 'got'. ( I won't 'have' anything, because I can't actually buy, without an FAC... Confused.
     
  11. r10hunter

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    When you apply for your Fac you apply for a certain caliber. Once granted you can chose any gun from any seller that fits this criteria.
    For example you may apply for and be granted a .22 rimfire that will give you a vast choice of different guns to choose from many shops and private sales but it must be a .22 rimfire.
    When you apply for your Fac you may just apply for one gun or several giving you the option of purchasing guns from several calibers or several guns of the same caliber.
    One empty slot on your Fac or “ authority to purchase “ per gun.
    Should you wish to change any of these guns it’s not a matter of having .22 rimfire on your Fac so just going and swapping the gun. You must apply for a Variation each time. ( a new permission to purchase a gun )
    http://iwtsa.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/BASC_guide_to_firearms_forms.pdf
     
  12. metalman

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    You also require separate slots if you are fixing moderators to the guns. One slot per mod extra
     
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    Just applied for a FAC in March and the firms seem a little simpler.
    One month in and not heard anything yet as guess they’re doing background checks first
     
  14. darklord

    darklord Can’t beat a tx200 at 30m

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    This needs updating
    A couple of things now.

    For club membership you have to be a full accepted member of a club having served the appropriate home office probation Period.

    The law now states the land owner or their representative can only grant one other person permission to shoot on the land at any given time not over a period of time I believe.

    You wil now be asked to produce physical evidence that you are proficient with your requested calibres and this will need to be at least a letter from a mentor for all shooting outside a club. And also you have experience shooting your intended quarry. Again evidenced.
     
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    Im now 10 weeks in & nothing from Cambs FAO, i have phoned then twice in the past 3 weeks, i was told they are now dealing with end of Jan 18 applications.They cashed my cheque PDQ but no acknowledgement at all from them
     
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    Was that not always the case?
    Interested to hear if anyone else has come across this yet, and what legislation is in place to enforce it if so. I've heard similar said but not seen anything to suggest its fact or enforceable in any way atm.
    TVP is an "evidence-based" department, that doesn't mean other forces or even regions within forces necessarily follow the the same procedures, quite the contrary to date I would say. Until firearms licensing is standardised, and/or all forces somehow manage to interpret the HO guidance the same way, what is gospel for someone in one region may well differ to someone else across a border :S

    Are you waiting for your ticket now then, you said your probation was completed? Whats on your to buy list? :)
     
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    As far as a holder of the sporting rights being able to only authorise one person goes.
    As far as I am aware it remains as it has always been.

    You can authorise as many people as the land warrants.
    The 2500 acre estate obviously has a need for more shooters than the 25 acre small holding.
    Any force trying to impose a one shooter rule would be taken straight to court by the big estates or CLA .

    (A landowner or tenant who does not own the sporting rights can only authorise one paid person in respect of ground game using the ground game act exemption.)

    What did change recently is as a fac or sgc holder if you wish to allow anyone else to accompany you and shoot your gun under your supervision you must have permission in writing to do this from the holder of the sporting rights.

    Our permission forms for this year to say “joe blogs and one other person under his direct supervision.” To comply with the new rules.
     
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    Am I The Right Type Of Person To Own A Firearm?

    All applications are processed on individual merit. You are not entitled to hold back any information of any offence, this includes motoring offences and offences convicted outside of Great Britain, as this is a reflection of your character.

    With regards to this, I had a speeding ticket around 7/8years ago, but obviously after 5years it gets wiped from your record. So do I still need to write it down on my application or is it completely forgotten about now?
     
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    I had similar, asked DVLA for details as I couldn't remember them - they said they werent able to access records over x years old. I just put on the application form that I had spent speeding convictions but couldnt remember details and that DVLA werent able to assist me in obtaining them. If it was a simple fixed penalty job I'd just make a note as I did, I very much doubt they will be bothered about it.
     
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    If you tell them it won't matter. If you don't tell them and they find out about it they may decide you are untrustworthy. Tell 'em.
     

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