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The FAC process

Discussion in 'Firearms Certificate (FAC) Guns' started by Kyska, Jan 28, 2011.

  1. techno

    techno Busy Member

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    Sorry and all that but i disagree, i can take out bunnies at 80 yds no bother with FAC air,you cant do that with a sub 12lb, i can shoot woodies out of trees quietly with air, try doing that with a rimmy,its far too dangerous with a rimmy and sometimes too noisy with a shotty.
    To give advice to disregard FAC air is incorrect, you guys may have permissions whereby air isnt worth the hassle,and clearly if youve bought it, and havnt used it, youve bought the wrong discipline.It depends on the terrain also.wide open fields are hopeless for air, then its out with the rimmy or an hmr.
    You cant use a rimmy for barn work, you'll blow holes all over the place, i can turn down my FAC air to 8lb and not do any damage,I can use my Air on golf courses where there is a possibility of green damage,shotgun and live are defo out of the question.
    Its a case of where and what you shoot,also the thing to bear in mind is cost,my air runs for as little as 4p a click working happily out to 80 yds,whereas a rimmy is around 8p a click.
    When you are bunny busting on a regular basis, it adds up.Another downfall of the rimmy and any live, is litter, i do 2 horse centres, and leaving empty brass cases on the floor is a no no, as they get jammed in horse hooves,so i use air.
    so you can see folks its not just live all the way, you have work it out and do your homework and decide what is good for you.All the best T
     
  2. tomsteebs

    tomsteebs Donator

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    hi,
    i'm applying for my first fac and shotgun application and have a few queries if i may.
    in the ammunition section, do i need to specify the type of round or just the calibre.

    for example- .22lr calibre- do i need to say subsonic or hollowpoint or high velocity etc..... ?


    thanks
     
  3. r10hunter

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    "Expanding" if it's for vermin control.
    Are you doing the new May 20th form?
    If not get it in quick the old one runs out June 20th.
    Cheers Andy
     
  4. tomsteebs

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    hi,
    cheers,
    im doing this form- http://www.leics.police.uk/media/uploads/library/file/FORM_201_2014_Final_v3.pdf

    another question im querying is the shotgun part E section 17, it says to write shotgun info here, but only gives a section for shotguns owned not what your planning to own and apply for.....?

    sorry if it sounds stupid but i want it to be correct
     
  5. r10hunter

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    You don't need to say what shotguns you want. The feo will just chat about that with you.

    That is the new form.
    Cheers Andy
     
  6. tomsteebs

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    Thanks Andy,

    Time to get it finished and sent off eek:

    I wondered why there is a typo in it :D
     
  7. MossyNW

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    I have just got a permission for a Golf Club where the bunnies are creating havoc and causing £££'s of damage. 137 acres or so. I have a HW100 T .177 and a HW100 TK .22 ...... But I really need (ok I Want) a .22 rimfire! I already have a Shotgun Cert which I have had it seems for ever.... I have had a shotgun since I was 16. I'm 61 semi retired. Do you consider I have a chance to get a FAC?
     
  8. r10hunter

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    You should have no problems at all getting an fac for Rimfire if the course is safe enough for one. That will depend on the location and terrain of the course. Remember .22 lr can bounce so you will be decent backstops.

    I have done a good bit of rabbit clearance on some golf courses and one of the best methods you could already use with your Sgc.
    Borrow a golf buggy or better still one of the green keepers gators or mules and use a silenced .410 or 20 bore shotgun.

    One person drives and one shoots no need to stop to take the shot and you can take the rabbits as they run for their burrows.
    Not so many issues with backstops.

    Get your .22lr anyway for when you fancy a relaxed stalk. But the above gets numbers of rabbits and can be used in areas that are not safe for Rimfire.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    techno Busy Member

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    Dunno if the golf course would want you using a rimfire in case of green damage.better off with fac air, also b****r all ricochets with air .A Rimmy ricochets a lot especially when the ground is dry and hard.
     
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  10. r10hunter

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    I agree many golf courses are not suitable for a Rimmy.
    But I can't say I ever had an issue with greenkeepers worrying about damage from a Rimmy bullet.
    You don't shoot rabbits that are on the greens anyway because of leaving blood behind, and great chunks of the fairways, tees, and semi rough are knocked out every time a golfer hits a ball.

    The only issues I found with the Rimmy (as long as good backstops safe location etc)
    was you need to have a bolt action so that you can eject the empties into your hand.
    They don't like to see spent cases left around as they could damage mowers and look unsightly.
    I used to have a tub in the gator and just drop the spent Rimmy and shotty shells straight in from my hand.
    You also have to watch where the pop up sprinklers are but you have to do that with whatever you shoot.

    Cheers Andy
     
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    Smashing write up by the OP :up:

    I shall be applying for a fac in the coming year as i'll be a full member at the range near me in january (Have all my probationary visits in now!!) Can't wait and have a nice Annie thumbhole rimmie lined up off a mate as soon as i'm legal to buy it from him..

    A question if I may, I got in to a drunken brawl 40 yrs ago as a beer swilling 16year old and was locked up fior the night and in court soon after (Fined a tenner) Would I have to mention this or is there a time limit??

    i've never had any cause to be one the wrong side of the law since (apart from a couple of speeding offences years ago :eek: )

    By the way, I packed in boozing back in 1990 :cool:




    Cheers, John :)
     
  12. r10hunter

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    Mention anything you have been convicted of. ( they will know anyway ) It won't go against you after all this time and mentioning Everthing proves you take those events seriously and are a law abiding person.
    Good luck with the application.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    Best to tell them. They will find out all about you anyway :)

    Atb
     
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    Thanks lads

    I didn't know whether there would be a cut of date for things like this :up:

    EDIT- Another question If I may- I've collected airguns now for some years and currently have 131 mixed rifles and pistols- do I have to declare them??



    Cheers, John :)
     
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  15. r10hunter

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    No there are no cut off dates with FAC / SGC applications for declaring convictions like their is for job applications ect.

    You don't need to notify or put on the application form any sub 12 air rifles or sub 6 air pistols you own.

    If you think you may use a shotgun ( invites to shoot off of mates ect ) apply for your SGC at the same time it's on the same form and will only cost you £10 extra to get both certificates if you apply for the two certificates at the same time.
    Clay shooting at you local pay and shoot venue is your good reason for possession (application) if questioned.

    Cheers Andy
     
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    Hi
    I'm currently filling in my FAC and SGC form, I'm not sure if it's just me being blind, but I can't find any mention off what your referees have to do with your photos? Do they sign them with the " I certify this is a true likeness...." Just sign them? Or do nothing?

    Thanks in advance
     
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    I certify ect ect. As stated in the little picture.
    Cheers
     
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    Cheers pal
     
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    What about motoring offences that are no longer on your licence? I was a bit of a div when I was a late teenager and my driving licence had endorsements all over it. Its been clean for years now. I also had a caution for possession of cannabis about 12 years ago. I was a passenger in a car with two other lads and as nobody fessed up to who owned the cannabis they took the three of us in. Would that go against me?
     
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    Declare everything, imo it won't, but I'm not a FEO.
     

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