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Question The airgun permit for scotland

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by husky, Feb 1, 2014.

  1. husky

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    I was on the phone to my RFD and he was asking what I thaught about the proposed airgun permit in Scotland and it got me thinking. If you are considerd a fit and proper person to be granted a ticket by the powers that be then shurly they cant have a problem with a dealer sending you an airgun direct to our home after all you have proven yourself to be an upstanding member of the comunity. As far as I can make out the restriction was set in place to stop thugs and under age people from geting guns (well that worked then). As a collector It would make things a lot less hastle if I could buy collectors guns made after the war without adding double handling charges to the price. I have had to pass on quite a few guns that I would like to have added to my collection purly on the cost of handling through a second dealer. One of the things I do enjoy is collecting pop out barel pistols and I have found some that I would have added to the collection but for money. Say the gun costs £40 Then add £10 post and anything from £15 to £50 for the second dealer to take the gun in for you now that gun is looking more like £70 -£80 the gun is no longer worth the money. So if some form of permit ment easer buying of guns for those permited would you go for it?.
     
  2. Egg

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    If/when it becomes Scottish Law I'm gonna go for it whether it eases VCR restrictions or not.
     
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    If it becomes Scottish law, it will end up covering the whole of the British isles.

    But are the powers that be, now talking of a permit, not the same as a licence is it ?
     
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    The powers that be still haven't decided - the referendum's taking precedence ATM so this issue's on the back burner for now.

    As to it being UK-wide: all depends on Westminster.
     
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    UK wide will depend on the referendum. After all if Scotland votes yes, Westminster won't want to be seen copying anything they do for some time. Then again we're talking about British politicians who would sell your soul if it got them another 5 years.
     
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    Forgetting about the how's and why's but if you had to pay say £60 per year for an Airgun Licence that gave you:

    12 months shooting insurance
    The permission to plink on your own property
    A 1ft/lb safety leeway on any energy test
    A photo ID that would help alleviate concerns when/if pulled by plod
    and the ability for an RFD to send Airguns and other VCR items via post to the licensee

    would you vote for it?

    Just interested in what people think....
     
  7. Accuspell

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    NO. Because it is rolling over, and I am not one to give up my rights easily - however they try to erode them by stealthy means or foul play.


    MAN UP. Stand up for your rights.
     
  8. mattyts

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    All good things but the 1 ft/lb leeway would result in some people setting their guns at 12.9 ft/lb and 13 ft/lb becoming the new limit.
     
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    Agreed. But then they get nicked....at least it would give responsible owners a leeway...something we currently do not have...
     
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    What seperates someone who has their gun tested and it runs at 12.9 and someone who sets their gun at 12.9?
     
  11. Soximus

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    I would like to think that a licence holder, i.e. responsible owner, sets their gun at sub 12ft/lb and the person who sets it deliberately at 12.9 is the non responsible owner....
     
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    Monkey see monkey do, and we have alot of monkeys at Westminster.

    The way forward, is to become the 51st state of USA and adopt there gun laws, Yee Har : )
     
  13. Chinnymonster81

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    Nah can you imagine some of our traffic wardens being transferred under tupe to the FBI.
     
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    Too meany ifs and buts with the Scottish licensing issue at the min. The big problem is it was a knee jerk reaction to a truly tragic shooting some years ago. You can never legistrate against every situation in this case some smack head shooting a child. It's the same as the hand gun ban after another tragic shooting. As often said legislation will only punish the law abiding airgunner,who for the most part crono their rifles/pistols know the law in relation to where what we can shoot. Knee jerk poorly thought out political judgments seldom change any thing for the better.

    K
     
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    As a one off I wouldn't really mind that, but per year? No, too much. Whats gonna change in a year that requires that frequency of renewal.
     
  16. Soximus

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    Is it a lot? When you consider it includes a years insurance and in some cases is little more than some clubs annual membership fee's...

    It would need to be funded in order to provide the benefits..

    I'm just curious as to whether licensing would be acceptable if there were benefits for the holders rather than it just being dumped on us with no benefits and an annual fee with f-all in return...then it just becomes another tax.

    Linking it with insurance can only be a good thing. Perhaps the cost of annual insurance plus £15 ...

    As I mentioned the Hows and the Whys where not relevant. I was more interested in the simple yes/no to the principle.
     
  17. Happy Hippo

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    A permit for a year?

    The admin would be horrendous.

    The police are having problems in some forces keeping up to date with renewals for FAC/SGC on a 5 year turn over.

    I think most people on here already have insurance through BASC or one of the other large organisations, which includes the specialist legal backup if things do go pear shaped.

    So the answer would be NO

    Regards

    Richard
     
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    no no no just another rule..health and safety regulations have gone bonkers .im surprised public farting is still aloud ...one rule will lead to another and another
     
  19. Soximus

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    LMAO ... if they start taxing farts I'm done for. :D
     
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  20. husky

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    I must pin my colours to the mast I dont want a permit of any sort and I have lost all respect for the leader of the Scotish parliament after his photocall with convicted drug dealers who were the masters of there own tragidy. Another bit of law we have in Scotland that is a bit OTT now you must hold onto your fishing rod at all times while fishing in rivers if you need a drink or a call of nature you cant just lay donwn your rod on the banking you must take in all your gear then when you are finished whatever you need to do you cast of again. Falure to comply could result in the confiscation of all your gear and your car. The sooner Mr Salmond discovers that p*****g off the country sport brigade is not that clever a moove we have the vote and I for one am not afraid to use it so Alex what is it to be be best frends with drug dealing scum or help you law abiding voters?.
     

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